This was posted on Slice today

Imagine asking a pastor for advice and Bible verses on dealing with a specific problem. He isn’t your pastor, but it’s someone you respect, and you ask for advice. Within a short period of time, the pastor decides that the news is so juicy, it just has to be told publicly. That’s what happened to Sarah Palin when she returned a September 6 phone call from Rick Warren and asked him for Bible verses on dealing with pressures she is facing. (He stated it as though she had called him out of the blue for advice.) Rick Warren’s apparently insatiable need to hang with the movers and shakers and to puff his ego was bigger than his respect for Mrs. Palin’s privacy.

Uh… I am pretty sure that Warren knows when it is appropriate and unappropriated to share information with the public. This is hardly a case of a pastor breaching the clergy confidentiality agreement. Growing up in a pastor’s home, information was often leaked to us via overheard phone conversations, impromptu counseling sessions in the living room and poorly placed mail. We learned very quickly what was appropriate to share and what had to be kept confidential. Telling the press that someone called for Bible verses is hardly a problem. And, since the Palin campaign said nothing about the incident, one would assume this would be fine.

Once again — ODMs trying catch Warren in any snare possible. I found it funny that this was under the section of “purpose driven madness” on the Slice Site.

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1   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 15th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Rick Warren called Palin and she called him back. He asked her how he could pray for her and she asked him for some verses to help her cope with all the attacks. Doesn’t seem like information from a confessional booth to me.

Let’s see, Warren called her to ask how he could pray for her so he could satisfy his “insatiable need to hang with the movers and shakers and to puff his ego”. The issues are no longer relevant, personal judgments of the heart and motives will do nicely instead. How can someone possibly think that about someone, then print it publicly, and not be convicted by the Holy Spirit? And how can people read that and not see the hubristic flesh and the downright hatred for Warren in those words?

We are witnessing a transformation of Christianity on many fronts. The spirit of humility is now passé, and women can brandish caustic verbiage against pastors and be held up as examples of Christ and Biblical Christianity. (men should not do it either but women doing it is a departure from the historic Christianity they profess) I disagree on many things with Brian MacLaren, for example, but he seems like a humble and gracious man as does Rick Warren. Verbal evisceration of a brother in Christ only teaches others to disdain people with whom they disagree. That is politics and not Christianity.

2   Nick    http://www.ruminatingrants.wordpress.com
September 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

Now See, here’s something we can all agree on. What a wasted post by Mrs. S.

3   richard abanes    http://abanes.com
September 15th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

I hate to say I told you so, but. . . . .

RAbanes

4   Erica    http://joemartino.name/erica
September 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Nick,
You and I might actually disagree for the first time. I am not so sure Warren was right in telling the media she called him. What was the point behind it? Now I don’t think she had to bash Warren like she did. She is constantly bashing him and it gets old. I am just not sure what the motive was behind telling the media.

5   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
September 15th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Uh…has anyone considered that this is a case of what politicians do best?

Political stunts.

It’s obviously the Moose Queen trying to get in good with certain evangelical circles, to the benefit of the McCain campaign.

It really has nothing to do with Rick Warren, he’s probably just trying to help Palin out and Palin used it as a PR plug.

Joe

6   Erica    http://joemartino.name/erica
September 15th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

Joe C,
That is a good point. One I have not thought about.

7   Joe    http://joemartino.name
September 15th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

It’s obviously the Moose Queen

Is that necessary?

8   Eric Hoffman (not from Deicide)    http://erichoffman.wordpress.com/
September 15th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Rick Warren is also responsible for…..

- The recent spike in gas prices

- The cancellation of “The 4400″

- Hurricane Ike

- My Alesis mixer not properly interfacing with Windows Vista

- Our inability in finding Osama Bin Laden

- Closing of various Starbucks & Coldstone Creameries

- The flu I came down with last Thursday

- The JFK assassination

9   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
September 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pm

Wait a daggum minute here…

Ingrid is accusing someone of gossiping and keeping a straight face while doing it? Bwahaha…. :roll:

This is from the woman who feels the need to write posts informing us if Joel Osteen farted on an elevator…

10   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
September 15th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

She IS the queen of the moose.

It’s necessary because it’s funny.

What, Christians can’t make fun of Christians now, for fun? I’m sure she’d agree with my label. Moose Queen, it’s funny. I’ve seen a Moose in Alaska, have you?

11   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
September 15th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

BTW Moose Queen refers to Sarah Palin, who is the unequivocal Queen of le Moose. And some Alaskans too, of course. :)

12   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
September 15th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

People can make fun of Obama all the time here but I can’t call Palin the Moose Queen? PLEEZE.

13   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 15th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

Joe C,
I have never once made fun of Obama. And if someone called him a name, and I saw it I’d do the same thing.
Coming from you, I am disappointed my friend.

14   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
September 15th, 2008 at 11:09 pm

Say what you will, Joe. I wasn’t calling her that to hurt, I was saying it as a statement of amusement that the Governor of Alaska (they have plenty of Moose there you know) is trying to be the VP. I just think it’s funny. Wouldn’t it be funny if the Governor of Hawaii tried to be President? I’d probably say ‘King Kamehameha over there is trying to be President.’

Maybe you can see the difference.

Man I hate politics, everyone gets so serious.

Do you laugh at the political satire/jokes on TV?

Why deride me?

15   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 15th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Do you laugh at the political satire/jokes on TV?

Honestly? No, I don’t. Not a big deal, just expressing my surprise at someone who seems to be very cautious about his words making that choice. I’ve said my peace.

16   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
September 15th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

Not everyone is as they seem, I’m not always going to choose the right words. I happen to have that kind of ‘humor’ about me. I think it’s amusing that she’s from Alaska and is all hunter-ish and all that jazz. So I make a point of it. Nuff said.

17   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 15th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

Ok.

18   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 6:51 am

All politics is a joke What’s the difference between politics and a pig?

Money. :)

19   AnonymousJane    
September 16th, 2008 at 9:20 am

Dang, miss a week, miss a lot at CRN.Info and Analysis. These are some of the best posts ever!

(…and no, I am not kissing up. Just giving credit where it’s due.)

20   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 9:24 am

Depends on who leaked the story…and why.

I think Erica is on the right track. Why is is necessary for Warren OR Palin to tell the story? And doesn’t Palin’s own pastor know “some verses to help her cope with all the attacks?” (I hope he does, being a pastor and all). Why would anyone think Rick Warren knows more about the Bible than any other pastor. (Actually, I’d be a little hesitant to ask Warren for verses simply because I couldn’t be sure which of the 43 translations/paraphrases he’d be quoting from…but that’s just my distaste for Warren showing through.)

Joe C: What makes the Gov. of Alaska funny vs. the Gov. of Arkansas or the Senator from Illinois? Why is “King Kamehameha” funny but “Barack Hussein Obama” is not? (Oops, sorry. Politically incorrect usage of Presidential candidates real name.)

Nathan: “We learned very quickly what was appropriate to share and what had to be kept confidential…” Very rare.

21   Chris P.    
September 16th, 2008 at 9:31 am

“It’s obviously the Moose Queen trying to get in good with certain evangelical circles, to the benefit of the McCain campaign.”

It’s obvious Warren loves playing along. Even Abanes has to poke his empty head in the argument.
These guys exist for the publicity they can generate. They are not “pastors” nor are they any kind of a church leader.
They are pseudo-politco/religious celebrities and the mega church they head consists of a “tickle my ears” consituency.

Even so come quickly Lord Jesus.

22   richard abanes    http://abanes.com
September 16th, 2008 at 10:03 am

Has anyone ever eaten moose? I had alligator once and it was horrid.

23   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 10:14 am

Has anyone ever eaten moose? I had alligator once and it was horrid.

LOL, I had alligator once too, and I actually thought it was quite tasty. Of course, it was in the form of a sausage, so it was pretty spicy. I would imagine moose would be similar to venison, but I’ve never had it, so I don’t know. I do hate venison, though.

24   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 10:23 am

“I do hate venison, though…” Processed correctly, you can’t beat it. Deer jerky is the BEST!!!

25   richard abanes    http://abanes.com
September 16th, 2008 at 10:36 am

I had bbq alligator at Alligator World in Florida. Ugh……but seeing the gators leap up and eat whole chicken’s from their handler’s hand was rather enjoyable. LoL.

RA

26   amy    
September 16th, 2008 at 10:58 am

If I were famous and a pastor called me and asked me what he could pray for and then advertised what had happened, AND made it look like I had called him to start with, I would wonder why the pastor had really called me in the first place. And certainly if I had some sensitive prayer requests I would not in the future share them with that pastor.

So if the story is accurately reported I definitely have problems with Warren not only sharing the incident, but sharing it as if the asking for prayer was initiated by Palin.

“It’s obviously the Moose Queen trying to get in good with certain evangelical circles, to the benefit of the McCain campaign.”

Are you implying that Palin knew that Warren would share the fact that he was praying for her with the public? And that he would (according to the story) make it look like she initiated the relationship?

27   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 11:10 am

I don’t think you should wait by the phone, Amy. :)

28   richard abanes    http://abanes.com
September 16th, 2008 at 11:22 am

guys & gals,

Let’s be honest, none of us have any idea what is really goes on between the Warrens, Palins, McCains, and Obamas of the world, and how they interact, and what is & what is not permissible or acceptable conduct. I don’t.

They throw each other’s names around and say things all the time in ways that such heavy-hitters and power-players do. I’m certainly not part of that crowd, and don’t ever expect to be (and I don’t want to be).

I suppose any of us could voice all kinds of personal speculations based on……..uhm….. nothing substantial, but why do that?

RAbanes

29   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 11:37 am

Looks like Ms. Palin has moved on from moose to bigger targets: Palin Bags a Bigfoot :lol:

30   Joe C    http://joe4gzus.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Keith,

For the record, I think ‘Barack “Hussein” Obama’ is funny too.

I think it’s funny when people use it as a dig insinuating that he’s Muslim. Because it’s so ridiculous. I figure most would get the ‘moose’ thing in a similar sense of ridiculousness. Satire even. I guess I just surprised some certain folks with my off sense of humor.

The reason the Alaska governor thing is funny to me is because it’s ALASKA (a state I love btw, it’s beautiful, it’s just funny though). It’s like this…McCain was panicking after the Dem. Nat. Convention and needed a crazy hail mary VP pick to help himself. So he picks this person who’s not even on his radar and is so much the conservative Christian that it does the trick. It’s just I picture the McCain campaign going…

“Ahhh..ahhh…uhhhh…..quick throw it!”

“Ok! there! Ah….ALASKA…? What good has ever come out of Alaska??”

“Mooses”

“That’s “Moose”, Mr. Senator…”

“Silence! I was a POW!”

“So, what shall we do?”

“We shall call her…MAVERICK Ver.2, Queen of aforementioned…”Moose”!”

“Excellent…”

And so that’s why I said “Moose Queen”, because that’s seriously the scenario I made up in my mind when I heard of his choice.

Make sense now? It’s just me being silly.

You don’t even want to know what my nuttiness comes up with for Obama.

Joe

31   Joe C    http://joe4gzus.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Phil, how dare you insinuate that Palin would shoot animals from Helicopters…. Oh wait…she does. :)

She’s now “Conqueror of Bigfoots” (feets??)

I take back my “Queen of Moose” statements.

:)

32   amy    
September 16th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Rick,

I don’t wait by phones. That lowly job is delegated to others.

33   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

McCain was panicking after the Dem. Nat. Convention and needed a crazy hail mary VP pick to help himself. So he picks this person who’s not even on his radar and is so much the conservative Christian that it does the trick.

Actually, she was on McCain’s short list since (at least) April, when the head of his vetting team showed up in Alaska.

I’d been telling Zan that McCain needed to pick Palin as far back as February of this year, and she finished in the top 3 in several of RealClearPolitics’ veepstakes polls, and was in first in the NRO Veepstakes poll days before her selection was announced.

Just because the press got caught sleeping, doesn’t mean it was a desperate move.

how dare you insinuate that Palin would shoot animals from Helicopters…. Oh wait…she does.

No, proposed a bill to the Alaska State Legislature that allowed culling wolves from helicopters in order to protect the Caribou and Moose populations (which many Alaskans use for food). She doesn’t hunt them, though.

(I’ll say that the funniest nickname I’ve heard is “Caribou Barbie”, though I’d say that a number of folks have found out the hard way that she’s not a lightweight, which the nickname implies…)

34   amy    
September 16th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

Has anyone eaten moose?

I have eaten moose spaghetti sauce. It just tasted like regular spaghetti sauce made from cows, (you know those dull-looking creatures that are NOT shot from helicopters, but kept in permanent, miserable captivity with a certain destiny.)

I felt like I could do anything while I ate the moose spaghetti sauce, maybe even run for political office.

The moose used to make the sauce wasn’t shot from a helicopter though, so my political ambitions came to nothing.

Now if Obambi shot moose from helicopters it would be above his paygrade to tell us whether he had shot them from a helicopter or on a regular good ol’ boys hunting trip where all shooting is done fairly – men with boots on holding guns, and moose with hooves on, running from the guns.

35   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

Yea, McCain and Palin will solve all our problems, just like another exciting and promising duo about which everyone was backing.

George Bush and Dick Cheney. What a mess we would be in if they hadn’t been elected. :lol:

Please record all the debates because the same issues and the same tired promises will be made in 2012, 2016, …

36   amy    
September 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

No, proposed a bill to the Alaska State Legislature that allowed culling wolves from helicopters in order to protect the Caribou and Moose populations (which many Alaskans use for food).

So I should have been writing about whether or not I’d eaten wolf, rather than moose, shot from helicopters.

As far as I know, not.

37   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

“So he picks this person who’s not even on his radar…” I actually find that hard to believe since I had seen a interview with her nearly six months ago and thought to myself: “She would certainly make an interesting VP candidate.” But then, six months ago, the campaign was only in it’s SECOND YEAR!!!!!! (I’m so sick of this crap!)

38   Joe C    http://joe4gzus.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Chris,

Aww…COME ONNN!! I’m just trying to have FUN! Why does everyone have to psycho analyze what I say? I’m not trying to win a political argument or start one for that matter, I just say stuff I think is funny. Politics is so serious. I’ve studied up but all I hear is conflicting stories, anyways…

But I hadn’t hear Caribou Barbie, that’s funny.

Yeah, cows get it the worst, but they’re delicious so it’s OK.

“Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. ” Genesis 9:3

Everything, that means even the vultures God later bans. Anyone had one of them before?

PS, General Patreus quit. But they’re spinning it like he’s not.

39   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 16th, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Martino in 2012. Maybe Julie can be my VP or I can be hers. Humor. Just a little humor

40   Joe C    http://joe4gzus.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

Well she didn’t know.

Why do they clap when they open and close the stock market??? Especially when it crashes? lol…that’s funny too.

41   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

“(I’m so sick of this crap!)”

Keith, you are starting to get it! :)

42   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Hey, I’d vote for Julie!

Although, if she’s predestined to be the Pres, then my vote would really not be necessary, right Rick!?? (Just a little Calvinist humor)

(PS: If Joe and Julie ran, it would be like McCain/Palin–everyone would forget who’s actually running for the top spot! Sorry, Joe.)

43   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

“Why do they clap when they open and close the stock market???”

Now THAT’S funny!!!

44   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

What exactly are the 8 years goals for believers concerning the government? In the past 28 years we had a pro-life president 20 of those years.

I know, when it’s bad the Democratic congress is to blame. When it’s good the Republican president is credited. I am surprised at the pro-family group that supports taking a mother of five out of her home and placing her in the time consuming position of VP. I guess you can have your cake and eat it as well.

Welcome to the new millenium and expanding the parameters of family roles. As long as you are pro-life and conservative you are untouchable on one side and demonized on the other.

Politics – where principle goes to die.

45   nc    
September 16th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

Ah, yes…Chris P…and his never-ending pronouncements about people’s status/motivations, etc.

He’s such a great “pastor”….

;)

46   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

So I should have been writing about whether or not I’d eaten wolf, rather than moose, shot from helicopters.

It’s illegal to shoot game animals from helicopters, per federal law. There is an exemption, though, in federal law that allows for culling of predator animals from helicopters.

BtW – hunters don’t helicopter hunting as “sport” in any form – it is a necessary evil to prevent decimation of herds by predator animals…

47   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

PS, General Patreus quit. But they’re spinning it like he’s not.

I thought he got a promotion?

48   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

“These guys exist for the publicity they can generate.”

A sweeping judgment and a self righteous dismissal of someone’s entire “existence”. Regardless of how you might feel about Rick and Kay Warren, they do GREAT works in Africa, and that counts for something. Ask God how He feels about ministering to the poor.

49   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

BtW – hunters don’t helicopter hunting as “sport” in any form – it is a necessary evil to prevent decimation of herds by predator animals…

I’m for the carpet-bombing of deer. I hate those stupid animals. :twisted:

50   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 16th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

I guess you can have your cake and eat it as well.

I’ve never understood that colloquialism. Who wants cake you can’t eat?

51   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

Nuance, Joe. I’ll explain later. :)

I guess you can have your moose and shoot him too!

52   Joe C    http://joe4gzus.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

I guess you can have your moose and shoot him too be queen over him too!

There…fixed it!

53   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

I’ve never understood that colloquialism. Who wants cake you can’t eat?

Well once you eat it you no longer have it…

It’s like you can’t simultaneously save and spend the same dollar.

54   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Phil – ever the teacher. We will see if it takes on Joe, he usually only responds to time outs! :lol:

55   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 16th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Well once you eat it you no longer have it…

See, I was a health teacher and I happen to know that you do have it still. At least for another 24 hours.

56   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
September 16th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

See, I was a health teacher and I happen to know that you do have it still. At least for another 24 hours.

Not if it was from a Mexican restaurant… :mrgreen:

57   Joe C    http://joe4gzus.blogspot.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Or Chinese…

58   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
September 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Or made with chocolate Ex-Lax (not saying I ever did this in college as a prank against another dorm or anything random like that…)

59   John Hughes    
September 17th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

RA: Let’s be honest, none of us have any idea what is really goes on between the Warrens, Palins, McCains, and Obamas of the world, and how they interact, and what is & what is not permissible or acceptable conduct. I don’t. They throw each other’s names around and say things all the time in ways that such heavy-hitters and power-players do,.

AH! Finally, RA admits what many have known about RW all along! He’s a power player. :-)

Hebrews 13:18 – Pray for us, for we are sure that we have a good conscience, desiring to conduct ourselves honorably in all things.

1 Thess 4:11 – and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business and work with your hands, just as we commanded you,

James 3:16 – For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.

60   John Hughes    
September 17th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

Hey, good to be back after the storm. (not that I was probably even missed). Galveston is pretty much destroyed. We were blessed and suffered very little damage in the greater Houston area. Our power is still off (in Pearland a subburb of greater Houston) but we have gas and water. There are still 1.5 million people still without power. The stores are starting to open back up. It’s weird to have to stand in line for groceries and one of the simplest but MOST missed things was ice. I was finally able to get back to work today. Keep praying for the people of Houston we have a long way to go.