I am currently rereading Mark Noll”s book Turning Points: Decisive Points in the History of Christianity. It’s a great read, and an even better reread. One chapter is dedicated to the Evangelical Awakening in Britain and America which was preceded by Pietism in Europe. He uses the conversion and ministries of the Wesley brothers as a focal point. In his historical background he lists six proposals penned by Philipp Jacob Spener in 1675. According to Noll, Spener’s proposals became a banner for Pietism and influenced the Wesley’s who influenced American Evangelicalism.
Spener…
1. said there should be a more extensive use of the Word of God;
2. called for a renewal of the priesthood of believers;
3. appealed for the Christian faith to be expressed in authentic practice;
4. asked his readers to show love and to pray for unbelievers and the erring. There should be restraint and charity in religious controversies;
5. called for reform in the education of ministers. They should be taught piety and devotion as well as academics;
and 6. encouraged ministers to preach edifying sermons, understandable by the people…
WOW, who knew Spener was such a 17th Century Emerging Church Leader? It is stunning how similar these six are to many of the issues taken up by today’s emerging churches (note: emerging not necessarily Emergent)… particularly 3, 4, 5, and 6.
RE: #3 – today “authentic” is nearly used to the point of meaninglessness. But there is a reason for this. Many young believers see the “established” churches as unauthentic in the expression of their faith.
RE: #4 – a call to engage unbelievers (and others) in a dialogue, loving them while we pray for them.
RE: #5 – looks a lot like the classes many schools are adding under the general term of spiritual development or the like. They have seen the need to address an over-emphasis on academics.
RE: #6 – in a word – “relevant” – sermons that build up the believer must be relevant to the believer.
Of course, Spener and Wesley had their ODM’s as well… those who opposed their new methods. For example, Wesley was attacked for preaching outside instead of in a church proper. Many within the emerging churches today are echoing Spener’s call for a revitalized Christianity. I can imagine how Spener would be opposed if he were to write this today. For example:
RE: #4 – Here he is obviously watering down the Gospel… we are not called to dialogue with unbelievers or show restraint – We are called to preach the Gospel and expect to offend unbelievers.
RE #5 – “Piety” and “Devotion” are just synonyms for spiritual formulation which is, of course, code for the new age and built upon pagan foundations.
RE: # 6 – Here Spener is clearly advocating we dumb down the message and use hollywoodesque methods to entertain rather than teach the simple counsel of God.
Of course, this is all somewhat tongue-in-cheek… but it is amazing how similar many of today’s emerging concepts/methods are to the concepts and methods introduced by Spener and Wesley and a host of others. It is also amazing how new ideas are opposed by the “establishment” of the time, every time – whether that time is now, or 350 years ago.







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yeah and look at the state of us now
(from a proud englishmen hehe)
Andy,
Maybe history can repeat itself in reverse… this time the movement may start in the States and spread to England.
Neil
Lets hope so…You been to England Neil?
I thought that a lot of the stuff associated with the Emergent movement had roots in the UK, at least stuff associated with the “alternative worship” side of it.
I spent a week in London as a tourist a few years ago.
A couple decades ago I spent one month in Bromley working in the warehouse of a Christian book publisher… from there we got as far as Oxford.
I have two coffee mugs with Union Jacks on them – one from each trip
Neil
Phil,
I believe you are correct. And a lot of it is also built on Celtic Christianity.
Neil
Yeah their are emergent churches in the UK…
But in the cold light of day UK is pretty much a secular country…To be honest, and coming from a non christian family to be born again in the UK = Your a nut,which i would think is a little different there?
History is so amazing… as American Evangelicals we owe so much of our tradition and culture to the European Pietism and the Methodism of Wesley. Yet, the church that bears the name of his Methods is now the establishment he sought to address.
“Yet, the church that bears the name of his Methods is now the establishment he sought to address.”
Great sentence and so true, Phil.
The one thing i do find interesting about Emergents is their books, some writers like Tony or Doug have stated their books are never in the stores in the USA…
But here i would say thats a total reversal, in most Christian stores its all Emergent and Bells dvds…To the point (dont shoot me) i asked for Truth Wars by John MacArthur and the guy said whos he hahaha
Yeah, it’s just that I didn’t say it…
Oh yea. Sorry Neil, I should have known Phil would not be so profound!
Well, I don’t know where you’ve heard them say that, but they are pretty widely available in bigger Christian bookstores in the US, and I’ve seen them at places like Borders and Barnes & Nobles, I could see some of the smaller mom and pop stores not selling them, though.
Another amazing fact is that the methods of Wesley basically became the traditions that many ODM’s defend. What was emerging became traditional and is being used to oppose the new emerging…
Speaking of Truth Wars
It was on one of their blogs when the last book came out,said something about trying a local christian store and they didnt stock it as usual,but i’ve read it elsewhere to..
Ref Wesley i seem to remember he had a terrible home life with his wive, apparently she was “impossible”
I don’t know – listening to Sarah Palin trying to explain that praying that we will be doing God’s will isn’t the same as praying “we are doing God’s will” and seeing the blank look on his face tells me that in the MSM, at least, a good chunk of Americans don’t “get” Christianiaty.
They’ve spent too many years thinking that Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps and Jimmy Swaggart define what Christians look like…
Wesley believed that the Christian could achieve perfection because he met three women that he “greatly admired” who all told him they had achieved it.
As usual Chris Lyons proves his hypocrisy by shutting down comments on his post!
Oh ok thks Chris…
Ironically i think the reason that Christianity in the UK might be seen as odd(besides peoples convictions) is down to the same guys…
If UK tv ever does a show on Christians its invaribly about the oddballs, i remember in the 80s loads of documentary on Baker and Swaggart,then a show 2 years ago showed Haggard running Dawkins off campus for calling his ancestors baboons haha..
Recently the writer Paul Theroux son Loius lived with Phelps for a month, and made a show for bbc very strangeeeeee…
100% time for something different
I just love the irony… the very things that ODM’s hold so dear have their roots in people who were innovative, relevant, and tailored their message to a new audience…
If, in their world, pagan roots make something ontologically pagan, what does this make their traditions?
Neil
It’s just like how “new” 19th century worship style/music was progressive and ‘evil’ in it’s time, and compared to the ‘true’ worship of centuries past.
Sounds familiar.
By the way, I noticed no one is touching the bashing John Piper post on CRN, Slice, and Steve Camp’s site, because Piper is showing a video of a pastor teaching on the use of language (and he says the S word a bunch of times to make a point). Hmmmm…
Maybe too many old wounds from previous discussions, eh guys? lol
But can you believe it? Bashing Piper?? They’ll turn against anyone if they don’t meet their lofty criteria! I was floored when I saw them beatin’ up on him. I thought they loved him.
But it just goes to show, at least they’re being fair. Usually they let that stuff slide if it’s one of their guys…but I mean…this mighta just been too much. Eh?
I thought the video was a great message and illustration, however.
Joe
Hi Joe yeah ive been following it on Camps site…I agree with Camp personally, from previous post people know i cuss and it may appear hypercritical,but the youtube clip bugged me..
But Camp didn’t do himself any favours critizing the bad language,but then calling them pinheads and having crap in the orginal post (now removed)…
Alsoit was a own goal, trying to connect the clip to Mark..Camp really seems to have a problem with Mark which gets in the way of some great post…
But here i would say thats a total reversal, in most Christian stores its all Emergent and Bells dvds…To the point (dont shoot me) i asked for Truth Wars by John MacArthur and the guy said whos he hahaha
or Joyce Meyer, Copeland, Jakes et al…