With stories like this one about real pirates who are killing people, one wonders if it is appropriate for Christians to have radio stations called “Pirate Christian Radio.” I wonder what some discernment sites would say if Pagitt, Jones, Bell, McManus, or Warren had such a station.  It kind of makes you wonder.  Please note, this post is not about the owner of said station.

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1   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
December 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am

With all the entries about gimmickery in the “museum” site, I have wondered why you can use your own gimmickery including the use of “pirate”. They even have their own “pirate van” including a great paint job. I hope they include that in the museum of Christian gimmickery.

T-shirts, key chains, letter head, Bible covers, screen savers, and an array of other “pirate” gear is available in our catalogue. Be the first to let your neighbors know you are ready to plunder and pillage all these compromisers!!

2   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
December 9th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

“Pirate Christian Radio” – It’s rated Arrrrrrrrrr!

3   Joe    http://joemartino.name
December 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

LOL. Now, that’s funny stuff.

4   Bo Diaz    
December 9th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

There’s something hilariously backwards about a radio station that promotes itself as “Pirate Christian Radio” claiming that it is free from “goofy fads”.

What strikes me as even funnier is their claim to promote “THE Historic Christian Faith”. Really? The historic Christian faith? From what I understand this was set up by a Lutheran, there’s not even a single historic Lutheran faith that could be called THE historic Lutheran faith. In fact, if Lutheran theology is being promoted on it then most of the sites I’ve seen promoting it would be horrified at much of Lutheran theology including, but not limited to, infant baptism, closed communion, sacramental view of the Lord’s supper and baptism being a part of salvation.

At least the ridiculous gimmick goes along with the ridiculous claims.

5   Joe    http://joemartino.name
December 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Evidently Ken is scared or something to come here and call me a liar. He did so on my wife’s blog earlier today. BTW, if you want to watch an entertaining conversation where Ken repeatedly fails to answer questions about his credentials. You can watch his non-answers that would make a politician proud. He lies and misleads, just head to my wife’s blog. You’ll find oodles of interesting reading there.
Ken’s contention is that I am lying because I said I was done posting here. I would simply point out to Ken, that I never said I was done forever.
Also, Ken accuses me of “taking a cheap shot” at Chris R. when he offered me a job last year when I was in need.
This post is asking a legitimate question and is in no way taking a cheap shot at Chris R. Chris R, did offer me a job and I worked hard for him while I held that job.
Chris R and I also disagree on many things and I felt this question was important enough to ask while reading the news this morning.
Now, KennyKen, I know you read here and you can be a man and post here about here. Or you can continue to act cowardly and take pot shots at me on my wife’s blog.
Your actions will speak for you, Ken.

6   Joe    http://joemartino.name
December 9th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

BTW, Ken I’m curious. Because I worked for Chris R does that mean I can never question what he does?

Courage is setting aside your fear, Ken. You say you’re a soldier. Well, then have some courage man.

7   Bo Diaz    
December 9th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Wow, Ken has as much problem with the truth as Pastor Boy does. I don’t ever want to hear from these clowns about anyone else being postmoderns who deny truth.

8   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
December 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

Pirate radio

or

Clown radio

And the difference is?

(The clown is more peaceful and exists to make people laugh)

9   Pastorboy    http://crninfo.wordpress.com
December 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

To answer Joe’s question:

I think what Pagitt, Jones, Bell, et.al is damaging enough by calling what they do christian. Pirate would be an upgrade for them.

But it does not really matter the name, it matters the content.

10   Bo Diaz    
December 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

I think what Pagitt, Jones, Bell, et.al is damaging enough by calling what they do christian.

I thought the same thing about you.

11   Neil    
December 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

I think what Pagitt, Jones, Bell, et.al is damaging enough by calling what they do christian. Pirate would be an upgrade for them.

Your inability to discern the differences between the beliefs of Pagitt and Bell is truly mindblowing.

12   chris    
December 9th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

I think what Pagitt, Jones, Bell, et.al is damaging enough by calling what they do christian. Pirate would be an upgrade for them.

Please, please, please, please just stop. It’s to the point of ridiculous.

13   nc    
December 9th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Has anyone ever heard of that snack called Pirates Booty?

http://www.robscape.com/

14   Brendt    http://csaproductions.com/blog/
December 9th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Joe, in reply to the original post, I think they’d be even more concerned about being associated with a fey Johnny Depp. ;-)

15   Eddie Guerrero    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IapqqQ45Q4w
December 9th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

Do you guys have a REAL issue to discuss?

The term Pirate Radio actually has a common meaning in today’s modern parlance. Even Wiki knows that.

The term pirate radio usually refers to illegal or unregulated radio transmissions. Its etymology can be traced to the unlicensed nature of the transmission, but historically there has been occasional but notable use of sea vessels – fitting the most common perception of a pirate – as broadcasting bases.

Pirate Christian Radio more than likely is a name that is designed to make a statement about the unregulated nature of their broadcasting. Most of the stuff that they say would not be tolerated on today’s castrated Christian radio stations.

16   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
December 9th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

The term Pirate Radio actually has a common meaning in today’s modern parlance. Even Wiki knows that.

Yes, we’re not idiots, so I’m sure we’re all aware of that.

Pirate Christian Radio more than likely is a name that is designed to make a statement about the unregulated nature of their broadcasting.

That may be what they were thinking, but playing up the imagery of the nautical piracy doesn’t help their cause. Their logo is modeled after the skull and crossbones for cryin’ out loud!

Most of the stuff that they say would not be tolerated on today’s castrated Christian radio stations.

Ah, yes, cause we all know that ad hominem attacks and spreading unsubstantiated rumors is the true measure of Christian manliness…

17   Brendt Waters    http://www.csaproductions.com/blog/
December 9th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

That may be what they were thinking

Darn, you’re generous.

but playing up the imagery of the nautical piracy doesn’t help their cause.

More like “totally shatters their cause into 1000 little pieces”.

18   Brendt Waters    http://www.csaproductions.com/blog/
December 9th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

The term Pirate Radio actually has a common meaning in today’s modern parlance.

Eddie, do you have any idea how often Romans 12:2 gets mangled by those of PCR’s ilk to tell us not to involve ourselves in the culture in any way whatsoever, like using “today’s modern parlance”.

Or maybe it’s just OK if they do it.

19   Eddie Guerrero    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IapqqQ45Q4w
December 9th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Phil…I’ve listened to Pirate Christian Radio a few times and you characterizing it as a station that engages in ad hominem attacks and spreading unsubstantiated rumors is not an accurate characterization at all.

Have you listened to Issues, Etc? Have you listened to their preaching programs? Do you listen to the White Horse Inn? Have you even heard Fighting for the Faith? Have you ever heard the SOCO lectures and the apologetic lectures of Dr. Montgomery?

All of these programs are top notch and extremely informative!

You make Pirate Christian Radio sound like some rabid out of control station that features Fred Phelps wanna be’s and hate speech sponsored by the Klu Klux Klan.

But that is not what I’ve heard when i’ve listened.

Seriously, I think that you are the ones who are engaging in ad hominen attacks and spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

20   Bo Diaz    
December 9th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Really Eddie? Really? You want to stake your claim on legitimacy from Fighting for the Faith? Ugh.

21   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
December 9th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

Interesting… does this “pirate radio” actually run illegally and unregulated? If so it is not following the laws of hte land. As one who does pay to run an online station, I sort of see this as consorting with the appearance of evil which the bible states that a real CHristian should not take part in. Do they also think stealing other peoples things as a Christian thing to do… stealing the airwaves or Internet is still stealing… theft is a sin. If they are illegal, report them as they need pay FCC fees so that the artists they are ripping off can be paid.

I am half way serious about all of that. the other half sees it as it is… just having some fun.

= )
iggy

22   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
December 9th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

I might add that if they are not a “real” pirate radio station” meaning running illegally, then they are then lying about who they are! Again, lying is a sin and a misrepresentation of Jesus. So 3 points against them.

1. If illegal as name implies, should be reported and also is stealing which is a sin
2. Giving the appearance of evil as the name implies that stealing is OK.
3. Misrepresenting Jesus in saying theft is OK

I will add that it gives the impression that they are out to rape and pillage and steal from other Christians or anyone who happens to dial them in… But this is what is in a name…

But we know they just thought it sounded cool and wanted to fit in by the worlds standards…

iggy

23   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
December 9th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Have you listened to Issues, Etc? Have you listened to their preaching programs? Do you listen to the White Horse Inn? Have you even heard Fighting for the Faith? Have you ever heard the SOCO lectures and the apologetic lectures of Dr. Montgomery?

I will say that some of the people that have been on the White Horse Inn are people I have some amount of respect for, but that doesn’t make up for what I’ve heard on Fighting for the Faith. That show is pretty much pure hearsay… An honest name would be Fighting for my narrowly defined Americanized version of Faith

24   Bo Diaz    
December 9th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

An honest name would be Fighting for my narrowly defined Americanized version of Faith…

Amazingly true.

25   nc    
December 10th, 2008 at 12:15 am

Better yet…

Fighting for my cultural paranoia wrapped in a flag and baptized into my religion.

26   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
December 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am

Jack the Ripper Christian Radio

Son of Sam Christian Radio

Hell’s Angels Christian Radio

White Collar Criminals Christian Radio

Armed Robbers Christian Radio

Vigilante Christian Radio

Train Robbers Christian Radio

Plane Highjackers Christian Radio

Watergate Christian Radio

Oswald Christian Radio

John Wilkes Booth Christian Radio

Benedict Arnold Christian Radio

*** We are Christian Radio with an edge, battling the forces of darkness with words, comedy, satire, round table mutual gratification sessions, and a general variety of other things that make us feel good aboutourselves. We are on the front lines, even ahead of nameless missionaries holding and ministering to dying AIDs sufferers in South Africa.

DO NOT MESS WITH US OR YOU MIGHT GET HIT WITH OUR VAN!!!

27   John Hughes    
December 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am

Actually Watergate Christian Radio has had some good guest speakers.

28   Pastorboy    http://crninfo.wordpress.com
December 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am

Ah, yes, cause we all know that ad hominem attacks and spreading unsubstantiated rumors is the true measure of Christian manliness…

Then this is the manliest site out there, and Bo Diaz is one on the manliest men I know!

29   Pastorboy    http://crninfo.wordpress.com
December 10th, 2008 at 9:29 am

But we know they just thought it sounded cool and wanted to fit in by the worlds standards…

sorta like iggy rocks? LOL!

:)

30   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
December 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am

Haldeman speaks on Christian loyalty.

Dean speaks on the Judas complex.

G. Gordon Liddy on clandestine Christianity

Colson on “Watergate Evangelism”

Gerald Ford on “The Healer”

31   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
December 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am

Then this is the manliest site out there, and Bo Diaz is one on the manliest men I know!

Sure, PB, continue living in your own fantasy land. I would challenge you to show us one article from this site that’s spreading a rumor or engaging in an ad hominem. Most of our articles don’t even mention specific people.

32   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
December 10th, 2008 at 10:01 am

PB,

#29 Yep that is true and but I don’t hold others to some standard I myself do not keep. I do not falsely misrepresent who I am and what my station is about. Also “iggy” is slang in chat rooms to mean to ignore someone… so I play music that is rocking but ignored…

And if I am cool by the worlds standards that is by God’s choice not mine… = )

iggy

33   Brendt Waters    http://www.csaproductions.com/blog/
December 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am

iggy most definitely rocks !

34   Brendt Waters    http://www.csaproductions.com/blog/
December 10th, 2008 at 11:16 am

Phil #31:

I would challenge you to show us one article from this site that’s spreading a rumor or engaging in an ad hominem.

Phil, this site is loaded with ad hominem attacks — they’re just all in the comments, written by those who disagree with us.

35   Pastorboy    http://crninfo.wordpress.com
December 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

#34

LOL!

Except, I have been attacked in that manner by some on this site, being asked if I beat my wife, accused of vile things and words…So the comment sections are filled with ad hominems.

36   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
December 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

“I have been attacked in that manner by some on this site, being asked if I beat my wife, ”

A question that has never been answered, I may point out. :)

37   Neil    
December 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

Being asked if you have stopped beating your wife IS NOT an ad hominem attack. It is an illustration of a logical fallacy – the fallacy of the loaded question.

38   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
December 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

Except, I have been attacked in that manner by some on this site, being asked if I beat my wife, accused of vile things and words…So the comment sections are filled with ad hominems.

Yes, PB, as Rick has pointed out, you have never told us when you quit beating your wife… :roll:

39   Neil    
December 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

PB,

I think you do not take the time to think things through, or to their logical conclusion. In just the past couple days we’ve addressed several comments from you that were incorrect. Not that you are lying, you are just in error. Whether it is in listening to what people say, or the application of illustrations you appear to answer without thoroughly understanding what you are saying. This may be due to emotion, haste, sloppiness, or even the inability to discern the nuances of an argument – I don’t know.

But I bet that if you took a little more time to think through some of these things a little more thoroughly you would avoid making mistakes like misinterpreting Bell’s comments and misapplying a question that points out a logical fallacy

40   Pastorboy    http://crninfo.wordpress.com
December 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

38

I have not started, but I might kick my dog if you people keep bugging me! :}

41   Eddie Guerrero    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IapqqQ45Q4w
December 10th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

I feel like I am looking into bizarro world whenever I come to this site.

I’ve listened to Fighting for the Faith and the host of the show does not engage in ad hominen attacks nor does he spread unsubstantiated rumors. Every time I’ve listened to his program and he’s disagreed with something someone is teaching he reads or plays the relevant quote from that person and interacts with it. In fact, I’m impressed with the fact that when he does a sermon review he doesn’t play sound bites but he plays the whole sermon.

seriously it is one thing to claim that someone spreads unsubstantiated rumors it is a whole other thing to actually prove it. and as for him teaching an Americanized version of Christianity I have no idea what you are talking about.

I feel like this blog is some type of therapy support group for a bunch of complainers who have too much time on their hands.

Do you guys have anything real to talk about?

42   nc    
December 10th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

I feel like this blog is some type of therapy support group for a bunch of complainers who have too much time on their hands.

And CRN, SoL and Apprising are ministries, right?

Yeeeesh.

Yeah…this site is such a waste of time, that’s why the imams all lurk here to fuel their anger to the glory of God.

43   nc    
December 10th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Eddie,

Honestly…if you like those programs…good for you. Nobody is saying you don’t have the right to exercise your preferences. Could you just return the courtesy and not assume that people are out of it because they don’t like what you do like?