I accidentally picked up an old issue of Books and Culture yesterday. It was the March/April 2008 issue. It wasn’t a particularly compelling issue and since I had already read most of it, I only perused through a couple of articles. Near the back, I found an essay I hadn’t read. It was a review of a book by Mark Noll, The Civil War as a Theological Crisis by Robert Tracy McKenzie. A preview can be found here.

The review is titled ‘Both Read the Same Bible’ which is a quote from the second inaugural address of Abraham Lincoln. The context reads this way:

Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. {…}

With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations. [my emphasis]

I have often wondered about Christians in this regard. How is it that I can read my Bible and be perfectly at ease in God’s grace that His sovereignty makes much room for my freedom of contrary choice and another can read the same Bible and be perfectly at ease in God’s grace that He has doomed some to hell simply because he decided it to be that way?  How is it I can read my Bible and be perfectly at ease with my understanding that immersion is the last step in conversion and others read the same Bible and come to the conclusion that baptism is the first step of obedience? How can we read the same Bible and some come to a pre-mill idea of the ‘end times’ and others read it and come to a ‘a-mill’ or ‘pan-mill’ or ‘post-mill’ point of view?

Certainly we are not all heretics because we differ on points of view? Have we not all prayed to the same God? Have we not all ‘read the same bible’? Have we not all ‘been baptized into Christ’ (Galatians 3:27), drunk from the same Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13), called upon the One Lord (Romans 10:13)? Certainly the church is bigger than what our puny minds seem to think, right?

I mentioned in another post that God takes a great risk when he permits local church autonomy. Well, doesn’t he also take a great risk when he gives us Scripture and says: “Discover meaning?” ( “It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings” Proverbs 25:2). It’s not like Scripture is a bullet-point or power-point or even that it can be nicely bundled into formal creeds (even if those creeds are useful and perfectly orthodox.) The Bible is a majestic book, grand, varied, multi-faceted. And that’s how God intended it to be. He gave us stories, poems, proverbs, parables, riddles, letters, apocalypses, narratives, novellas, prophecy, and preaching.Then he said: Search. Discover. Interpret. Ultimately, he said: Find Jesus, not an orthodox theological system (e.g., John 5:39; Luke 24:25-27, 44; 1 Peter 1:10-12)

He didn’t hand us a rule book (even if there are rules to be followed). He handed us a story, to an extent, an idea. Some folks clearly cross over the line of what is the boundary marker, but the bottom line is this: Not every single interpretation or idea is an assault on orthodoxy. Strange, isn’t it, that many who held to the pro-slavery position “came to equate the antislavery crusade with an assault on orthodoxy”? (B & C, McKenzie, 45) And yet, were those who held slaves any-less Christian than those who did not? After all, their interpretation of the Scripture, our ‘only rule of faith and practice’, didn’t condemn the idea. Was God’s grace any less efficacious to them? (Please don’t misinterpret me. I am not saying slavery in the American South (or the American North!) was justified. I’m only pointing out that as far as we know, Robert E Lee was just as much an orthodox Christian as Abraham Lincoln if Scripture has anything to say about it.)

One wonders why many folks in the church today are not given such freedom and consideration. One wonders why every time an interpretation of a parable doesn’t match someones preconceived idea of the meaning we must automatically conclude that person is assaulting orthodoxy?

McKenzie, the author of the review I read concludes by noting this:

Of greater significance to the lay reader should be the implications of Noll’s analysis for contemporary Christians. Although Noll never moralizes, there is a sense in which the entire book is a cautionary tale. The Civil War as a Theological Crisis reminds us of how easily cultural conventions can shape definitions of ‘orthodoxy.’ It warns us that an aversion to complexity is not the same thing as a commitment to scriptural authority. And it demonstrates, powerfully and pertinently to the present moment, the consequences that follow when Christians in a society given to the ‘voluntary and democratic appropriation of Scripture’ come to disagree passionately about what Scripture actually teaches. (46)

Do our disagreements about Scripture now, in our present day, present the same sort of problems as they faced then? Do these incessant arguments portend a greater problem in the church that will not be resolved apart from violence? Is it possible that another civil war could result from our anger towards those who, because the Bible tells me so, disagree with ‘me’? Or is it possible that we are already engaged in a theological civil war? Isn’t this really a matter of ‘how much must I know or how right must I be in order to be saved?’ Isn’t that an assault on God’s grace?

Is there room, and how much, for interpretation? Am I still your brother if we are on opposite sides of the millenial debate? Baptism debate? Atonement debate? Communion debate? Musical instruments debate? (Etc.) Is not He that is in us greater than our interpretations? Or will we continue believing that every contrary idea is necessarily an assault on orthodoxy?

Doesn’t the very nature of Scripture compel us to search and delight and not search and destroy?

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1   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
December 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Jerry – your post is an excellent short essay concerning the substantive conflicts when Christians attempt to cement Christianity with nationalism. The God of the Universe abides above it all and His purposes should not, can not, be tethered to anything but His Word and His followers, the first being foundational.

The spirit of anti-christ is the denying of God and His Christ.

But following close behind is presenting Christ as a moral crusader and having favor with one nation or people group over another.

Both these ongoing errors are counter-productive to a genuine presentation, both of word and deed, of the glorious gospel of the grace of God through the finished work of the Risen Christ.

2   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
December 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

I know that I often criticize people who are all “God and Country”, but I do have to admit that many of the men who were foundational in the birth of the US seemed to have been given a lot of wisdom.

When you read some of the stuff they wrote, it is pretty amazing. I read David McCullough’s biography of John Adam’s over the summer, and though I can’t say I that I’m closer to thinking that this is a “Christian nation” or anything, but I do believe that there were some Godly men involved in its inception. Of course there were a fair share of scoundrels as well…

3   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
December 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

George Washington was one of the finest men I have ever read about. His courage, integrity, honesty, and sacrifice is a challenge to all of us.

Yes, this is me…

4   Neil    
December 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

…an aversion to complexity is not the same thing as a commitment to scriptural authority

This is brilliant. One of the weaknesses of modernism was the oversimplification of the Scriptures… the “We have it all figured out” approach.

Those who use “post-modern” as some kind of pejorative tag often forget that modernism itself was no friend to Christianity.

With each there is both the good and the bad. The objective should be to take advantage of the good, challenge the bad, and not fall in love with the process.

5   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
December 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

The challenge is to embrace the majestic simplicity of redemption while continuing along the journey of mystery without suggesting they are at odds with each other.

6   Pastorboy    http://crninfo.wordpress.com
December 12th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

Jerry,

Where I agree that there are gray areas that we can disagree upon (you have named a few) and still be Christian (the nature of the atonement I do not believe is one of them BTW) there are clear teachings in scripture that are non-negotiable. Those are ones that are worth standing up for, those are ones that are non-negotiable.

There is also false teaching that rises to the level of heresy, and other teaching which is just someone being deceived or having an incomplete understanding.

In the case of slavery, the Biblical model of slavery was in no way like it was practiced in the Americas. In Bible times, it was to work off a debt. It was a choice. It was not forced, it was not kidnapping, it was not buying and selling. Those who thought it was either had an incomplete view of scripture, or purposely eisegeted it to go their way.

I wonder sometimes from a historical view how a Christian could fight in a civil war on the side of the rebellion. There are some who call our war for independence a civil war, but I do not think it so. I think the only way one could do it is if, for example, our president made it law that we had to do something against scripture. I don’t know that I would take up arms, but I would practice civil disobedience in that instance.

I am sorry…rabbit trail…

7   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
December 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

In the case of slavery, the Biblical model of slavery was in no way like it was practiced in the Americas. In Bible times, it was to work off a debt. It was a choice. It was not forced, it was not kidnapping, it was not buying and selling. Those who thought it was either had an incomplete view of scripture, or purposely eisegeted it to go their way.

Dude…

If you call the decision to starve to death or become an indentured servant a choice, then I guess it was a choice. The Romans certainly did practice forced slavery, though. And certainly if anyone understood forced slavery it was the Jews…

The Bible doesn’t anywhere condone slavery as a good thing. It just acknowledges that it existed in culture, and that God’s people would interact with it in some way.

8   Pastorboy    http://crninfo.wordpress.com
December 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

I did not write that right…

The Jewish culture….not in Bible times.

My Bad. The Jews did not practice it within their culture. They did have it forced upon them by others.

9   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
December 12th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

When Jesus command su not to reward evil for evil, it is the same principle as showing Christ as a slave. It in no way endorses slavery just as Jesus doesn’t endorse evil.

John – you have an enviablly innocuous view of ancient slavery which I am sure would be challenged by the sufferers of that reality.

10   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
December 12th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

PB,

I think the very fact that there are any gray areas should give us pause before we take up arms in any debate.

My point is that Scripture gives us guidelines and we try to work within those guidelines. Clearly, some things people teach are ‘over the line,’ but many things–even things we deem essential–are gray. (I’m not soon going to be a disciple of Spong or Crossan for example.)

When it’s all said and done what counts is Christ in us not our particular theory of this or that. We will do our best and stand before God in some way and give an account of our actions and our teaching but we still have only grace.

Rick, per your first comment about nationalism…I think this also extends to other areas too. For example, denominationalism, tribalism, theologyism, etc.

Scripture was never meant to be a tool to justify us or a weapon of warfare. It is God’s word to us and we do our best to interpret it and we will necessarily fail.

jerry

11   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
December 12th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Scripture was never meant to be a tool to justify us or a weapon of warfare. It is God’s word to us and we do our best to interpret it and we will necessarily fail.

Hey somebody wrote a post about that once…. ;-)

(I feel so smarmy linking to my own post… so… Silva-ish)

12   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
December 12th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Good interpretations of Scripture are healthy insofar as they help us maintain a right view of God or they help us devote ourselves to him more fully. That said, I sometimes think ‘good’ interpretations do more harm than good because they take us to the point of saying, “OK, we’ve figured that one out; nothing else to see here folks; let’s move along.” If a good interpretation causes stagnation, then it has failed to serve its proper function.

I think we always have to be searching and growing and digging and learning and struggling with the Word of God; struggling to follow Jesus of the Scripture and not a Jesus who has been formed and molded by mere cultural aspirations. I don’t think we yet fully understand this–and there is a generation of Christians who actively work against it and bristle against those of us who are willing to say, ‘I don’t have all the answers.’

So much for grace.

13   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
December 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

Phil,

I knew I learned that somewhere. Props!!!

jerry

14   chris    
December 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

In the case of slavery, the Biblical model of slavery was in no way like it was practiced in the Americas. In Bible times, it was to work off a debt. It was a choice. It was not forced, it was not kidnapping, it was not buying and selling. Those who thought it was either had an incomplete view of scripture, or purposely eisegeted it to go their way.

Softball over the plate…

Nevermind.

15   Chad    http://www.chadholtz.wordpress.com
December 13th, 2008 at 12:16 am

Jerry-
Excellent post. I especially loved this line:

Doesn’t the very nature of Scripture compel us to search and delight and not search and destroy?

Not just the very nature of Scripture but the very nature of the One to whom Scripture points us to.

My theology prof this past semester began the year in a way I had never heard before nor considered. His first two lectures were about jazz. Yeah, jazz. He had to read several articles written by prominent jazz artists and music theorists as a precursor to doing theology.

I didn’t know much about jazz so it was a learning experience for me. It turns out that the beauty of jazz is in the seemingly incongruency of the parts. There is this overarching melody (meta-narrative) but within that melody their is a bunch of dissonence – purposefully so. And when you get really good and when you know the song really well, well, that is when it gets fun – that is when one or more people playing begin to “riff.” They take the chord they were playing and take it to a whole new level….toying with it, teasing it out, taking it for a ride….even while maintaining a connection to the overarching melody.

Your post reminded me of jazz. The problems that we Christians think are problems are really only so because we have forgotten how to sing. We have forgotten that we are foreigners in a strange land singing a strange tune (in tongues). None of us would listen to a jazz piece or any sort of symphony with all its moving parts and say they are doing it wrong or desire it to be more “tidy.” But we have done that to what once was Yahweh’s song. We have taken a song and turned it into a math puzzle. And I think it is in that turn, a turn away from the art of God to the control of God, that we have lost ourselves. And because of this we have the cacophony that your post brilliantly describes.

16   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
December 13th, 2008 at 7:09 am

Over the past two years I have developed a fairly concrete distaste for the word “orthodoxy”. By definition it is subjective and is sometimes used as a badge of doctrinal hubris. And although most of the ODMs would never admit this, it relies heavily on past “counsels” and historic ecclesiaistical positions, not unlike the Roman Catholic view of authoritative church teachings.

* Luther believed
* Calvin taught
* Spurgeon said
* The Counsel of Trent decided
* McArthur says
* Etc….

These are a partial list of the foundation for “orthodoxy”. It considers a selective view of historic doctrinal views and excludes others, completely on subjective agreement. When you espouse a certain number of these beliefs, whose specific number differs with each person, you are “orthodox”. By definition, Christianity is an unorthodox religion!

“Orthodox” – a new way to contruct piers so as to be easier of the feet of longshoremen.

17   Chad    http://www.chadholtz.wordpress.com
December 13th, 2008 at 10:16 am

Rick,
I agree with your sentiment towards orthodoxy. However, the word itself merely means “right belief.” Perhaps you would agree that orthodoxy in and of itself is not the bad guy but the way in which it is deployed.

Orthodoxy, at least in the West since the Enlightenment more or less has become a tool by which we baptize good citizens rather than faithful followers of Jesus Christ. Orthodoxy has become a means of maintaining the status quo. In reality, Jesus was anything but orthodox in that sense.

Just a side note: Your partial list of what is referred to as orthodox I believe is far too recent. Most people who wish to make honest gestures towards orthodoxy do not quote Luther or Calvin or Trent and especially not Spurgeon or MacArthur (I realize the ODM crew will nod to the latter two as if they are the pontiffs of Orthodoxy – but that is just silly).

People who are really serious about orthodoxy generally spend their time in the first 4 centuries of the church and focus on Christians pre Constantine. That is when many of us believe orthodoxy became a tool of the nation-state to greater or lesser degrees.

18   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
December 13th, 2008 at 11:24 am

Chad,

Have you read NT Wright’s book Christians at the Cross: Finding Hope in the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus? Well, your comments about jazz reminded me of that book. At the beginning, and he carries it throughout the entire book, he describes Scripture in terms of a musical harmony. The Old Testament being the bass part, etc. (I can’t find my copy and I cannot remember all the parts.) It is a really helpful way of seeing how it all ‘fits’ together. It’s a good read.

jerry

PS–on that list of orthodox people we quote, don’t forget Slice, Apprising, Leaven, LHT, etc. :)

19   Chad    http://www.chadholtz.wordpress.com
December 13th, 2008 at 11:37 am

Jerry,
I have not read that. Sounds like a good read.

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