In their latest attempt to label all things herectical C?N does a wonderful job of…well…I’m not exactly sure I can connect the dots.  Apparently John 3:30 means that having a conference to talk about church planting among other things is the opposite of increasing Christ.

Apparently Dwayna believes that at Innovation 3 there is not going to be “one mention of Jesus” the entire time they are discussing:

We’ll be talking about innovative topics like risk and failure in ministry, shaping the culture through the church, how to achieve missional community, and what the church will look like in the year 2020.

And we’ll discuss innovative ministry models, with smaller, practical gatherings centered around multi-site ministry, women’s ministry, externally focused churches, missional renaissance, recovery ministries, generous church initiatives, church planting, and more.

With those topics and the list of pastors I can’t even fathom how anyone could even assume that Jesus would not be mentioned.  Actually I can; leaps in logic, agendas, GBA, and a few other fallacy’s.

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1   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
January 9th, 2009 at 8:47 am

Chris – I need not reiterate my complimentarian position, but here is how Dwayna describes her blog/ministry on the home page of her blog:

New York, NY, United States
This web log is unique in that it was initially designed for the sole purpose of posting ministry updates publicly via the LTW ministry web site, and then it became a personal journal for all that the Lord is teaching me daily. I will never be greater than the person I am when I am in a room all alone, with nothing between my heart and God, fighting battles and winning them, down on my knees. **Disclaimer: We partner with many of these ministries linked below in our LTW outreaches for resources to give to the lost. I am thankful for our partnership with all of these Christians. The links are provided for your growth. However, the listing of these sites does not mean that LTW would agree on every point. It should be noted that any site that links with others (like this one) will take you to sites that are not in complete agreement with the original. We are to use wisdom and discernment in everything that we read and hear as the Bereans in Acts 17:11, who “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Please let me know if anything is doctrinally unsound. The purpose is to glorify the Lord as we all grow in Him and make Him known to others.

I see no mention of the name of Jesus, and multiple uses of different forms of the personal pronoun “I”. To use her own words about the innovation advertisement, “I could not find one mention of Jesus in the advertisement but a big push for “YOU”:”

I believe you can connect the dots that lead from the pot to the kettle. Sometimes it’s too obvious.

2   Brendt    http://csaproductions.com/blog/
January 9th, 2009 at 9:34 am

Rick

1) I bq’ed your quote to make it stand out more.

2) You owe me a new monitor. This one has spit-take morning caffeine all over it. ;-)

3   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
January 9th, 2009 at 10:43 am

Where is this blog you are talking about Rick?

4   nc    
January 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am

This was almost too easy…I mean we’re talking about a person who thought there was actual spiritual significance to the name of a conference center (”Stronghold”) where some “feminist” gathering was…i.e. as if it was evidence of the “demonic” nature of the gathering.

oy.

Maybe she should move her ministry to Kill Devil Hill in the Carolinas. I mean that city must be a godly place, full of spiritual authority against the evil one….I mean, just look at its name.

gimme a break.

can you say “bat doo-doo crazy”?

5   Phil Miller    http://pmwords.blogspot.com
January 9th, 2009 at 10:57 am

I love the part where she says, “let me know if anything is doctrinally unsound” – seriously, these people really have anointed themselves the gatekeepers of the church. How did we ever get along without them?

6   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 9th, 2009 at 11:05 am

My biggest issue with Dwayna is she endorses Lauren Stratford who like Mike Warnke was found to be a fraud. I pointed this out to Ken Silva and he denied this. Dwayana also has attacked JPUSA and accused them of being Satanists.

As far as her “Doctrinally sound” I think that she is as sound as Ken and Ingrid who mouth grace yet push works righteousness.

She is a wacko and yet she is on the approved list at CRN.

iggy

7   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
January 9th, 2009 at 11:07 am

Thanks, Brendt, much better. I would personally like some things and not like others in that conference. But I wonder how many churches that would hate it use “innovation” techniques to market their church. (Grace Community for example, the church that Dwayna moved to California to attend and serve in)

* Web site
* Newspaper
* Church billboards
* Church signs
* Fliers
* Pamphlets
* Conferences

as well as these artificial enhancements

* $$$ – Sound system
* $$$ – Lighting
* $$$ – Salaries
* $$$ – CDs (music and teaching)
* $$$ – Music programs for all ages
* $$$ – Books
* $$$ – Conferences
* $$$ – Christian Cruises
* $$$ – Holy Land trips
* $$$ – Building programs
* $$$ – Massive debt for buildings

Some of these are not ontologically wrong, however how can you attack something when your brand of evangelicalism employs these techniques? And when the main speaker of the Shpherd’s Conference preaches a multi-part series called “Why I am a Calvinist” with other relevant topics like “Why Calvinism necessitates premellenialism”, well then, your conference is no better than the Innovation.

One conferences discusses how to reach people, sometimes uses some questionable techniques, while the other conference is an Amwayesque motivational gathering for geeks with a common dcotrinal bent.

One conference runs the risk of eliciting false conversions due to alluring techniques,

and

The other conference runs the risk of not reaching some for whom Jesus died because of their limited atonement views and their preoccupation in systemaic theology.

The choice is this: Is it more desirable to reach as many people as possible and eliciting some false professions, or spend an inordinate time rehashing reformed theology while unregenerate souls march to eternity.

I believe Acts 1:8 gives us a clear view into what God desires.

8   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
January 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am

Jerry -

http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/

9   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 9th, 2009 at 11:09 am

Here is the post that where she endorses Lauren Stratford.

10   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
January 9th, 2009 at 11:33 am

BTW – here is how the Shepherd’s Conference, created by Grace Community, describes itself on the website –

The Shepherds’ Fellowship is an association (not a denomination) of churches rallying around the authority and sufficiency of Scripture, the importance of expository preaching, and the centrality of a biblical philosophy of ministry. The Fellowship serves as both a resource and an encouragement for pastors and Christian leaders around the globe.

No mention of Jesus and the description centers on men (preachers). As sister Dwayna said in her post -

“Praising people in the name of Jesus”.

I cannot abide these guys who lift themselves up as rallying around the authority and sufficiency of Scripture, the importance of expository preaching, and the centrality of a biblical philosophy of ministry.

Let no man move you from the simplicity that is in Christ. Not with enticing words of men’s wisdom. The attitude that “I preach and teach and worship and witness and live completely in accordance with the Biblical outline” is not only absurd, the attitude itself is a neon sign that informs us that you do not.

11   nc    
January 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am

What’s up with the weird picture of her hiding in the flowers? Is she a little girl?

12   Brendt Waters    http://www.csaproductions.com/blog/
January 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am

iggy, Ken denied that Dwayna endorses Lauren Stratford or Ken denied that Lauren is a fraud?

13   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 9th, 2009 at 11:55 am

I pointed out that Dwayna endorses Lauren Stratford to Ken, and Ken didn’t care.

14   Rick Frueh    http://http?//followingjudahslion.com
January 9th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

Another salvo pointed at the conference that does not mention Jesus in their advertisement.

http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=8786

…for thou that judgest doest the same things… Rom.2:1

BTW – On my blog, does “Lion of Judah” count as Jesus’s Name? How about “Christian Research Network”? How about “Slice of Laodicea”? I guess my blog comes the closest, which means in spiritual terms “I WIN!”.

Neither the “about us” nor the “mission statement” sections on CRN, the very blog on which Dwayna is posting, mentions the name of Jesus either.

I love playing the game of “Pin the tail on the hypocrite”, it’s so easy!

15   nc    
January 9th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

rick,

well, there’s just another reminder of what you have to wade through in the spittoon if you’re convinced you could find a nickel there….

a wooden nickel…