Last year, we addressed the subject of ‘naughty’ language in a number of comment threads, and at least one post (which summed up a position I believe most, if not all, of the writers would agree with).
Yet, from time-to-time, this topic still comes up.
In light of this, Abraham Piper (yeah, he’s from that Piper family…) recently posted some thoughts congruent with ours:
Even though we react more viscerally to bad language, it’s worse to use a nice word spitefully than a naughty word cordially.
This was a corollary to his previous observation on this subject:
Why do we say, “S-word,” instead of…well…the S-word?
It’s like we think its very sound triggers a trapdoor to hell.
(I would also note that Abraham’s blog, twenty-two words, is interesting, as in each post, he condenses his thoughts on a subject to … twenty-two words. He’s often got interesting, concise observations that I find quite timely.)





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Chris, this really has no validity. “That Piper family” was thrown under the bus a long time ago, because Pastor John dines with publicans and driscolls. And there’s no way in H-E-double-hockey-sticks that they’ll ever get out from under that bus. Because God is a wrathful God.
:adm off.
1) This is answered by the classic line that I cannot describe porn (insert subject) but I know it when I see it. Everyone will have a different opinion on what words are inappropriate. We have friends who tell their kids that “stupid” is a bad word where as we tell our kids it depends on how you use it.
2) I would suggest you avoid any so-called “bad word” to avoid distracting the reader or hearer from the point you want to make. The “Attach the Label Makers” post is a prime example of how one word (or asterisks suggesting a word) distracted everyone from the point. Let say I am going to share the Gospel with someone. I can say “you have a big honking nose” or “hey, let me tell you a cool freakin’ story” but that would just distract them.
Agreed, Darren…
Your #1 reminds me of the time my younger son came running into the kitchen to tell me that his older brother had just said the “SH word”.
Being rather concerned with the language of my 7-year-old (at the time), I came in and asked the younger one to describe what happened, and for the older one to verify that this was the truth.
The younger one responded that his brother had told him to “SHut up”…
I’m not sure either really understood why their father found this hilarious…
“Even though we react more viscerally to bad language, it’s worse to use a nice word spitefully than a naughty word cordially.”
OK, but it’s better to avoid both unless your vocabulary is very limited. In that case I blame the school you attended or the words you heard at home.
I find it interesting the lengths people will go to keep the door to questionable language open. It is so easy just to sacrifice that diminutive area of your Christian freeedom in order to avoid controversy and still be able to completely communicate your point.
So the reason cannot be I cannot communicate effectively, or I am so addicted to it I cannot stop, so it must be a matter of selfish recalcitrance that has chosen that hill on which to die. No one can stop you so have at it, but I have never spoken to a prostitue in Manhattan, or a drug dealer in Harlem, or a stripper, or even the man that owns most of the strip clubs in Tampa (Joe Redner), who could not understand me if I did not curse.
In 1981 I was approached by a worker in the restaurant I was working in as a cook who asked me if I was a Christian. I told him that I was and why did he asked. He said he had heard me many times speaking with others in the last 12 months and had never heard me curse, he thought something was different about me even though I was friends with all the rest that did use foul language.
I understand, that was then, this is now. Consider my comment an expected exercise in redundancy that provides perspective on the expected exercise in redundancy of this post.
PS – I will gladly provide words to anyone who needs them that can adequately replace any words commonly identified as “curse” words. Consider it as linguistic methadone.
This is why I only curse around Christians…
And if you really want to identify unchristian language, do a post that elicits the most offensive phrases, descriptions, or labels in SoL history. Just start with the two latest posts in which Ingrid makes us inhale the burning ashes of Ted Haggard with many sentences that reveal her penchant for demeaning phrases that draw the choir’s applause, and another revelation of her obsession with anything “gay” with phrases like these two”
“After the gays/lesbians/transgenders/transvestites and assorted other sexual deviants were seen stomping on their feather boas in rage at the invitation to Rick Warren”
“Then when Sodom’s minions become exceedingly wroth at the mere hint of Obama compromise”
So Chris, although I strongly object to the use of cursing in the accepted definition, I would much rather hear some of those words than have to receive the hate and self righteousness contained in the sentences above. But of course I’d rather not hear either.
I can’t say that I have ever used language you would classify as “vulgar” (unless you count ‘crap’) in any public setting, and incredibly rarely in private (i.e. something between me and my wife).
I’m not going to any lengths to justify something I do (or want to do). Rather, I’m just looking to be charitable in a way that avoids legalism (i.e. examining content of speech rather than its mechanics).
Perhaps it is easy for you to sacrifice that diminutive area of your life. Perhaps it is not so in others, nor is it all that controversial in the circles in which they walk.
As soon as you point out the words that are listed as ontologically evil in Scripture (or that any words, devoid of content/context, can be inherently evil), I’ll start to decry their usage in society.
As it is, “vulgar words” is a rather new phenomena (as we understand it). Whereas it used to be that “vulgar” (as a description of language) was one of class-bias, this bias has somehow become an issue of good/evil, rather than rich/poor…
The two words that I personally find most vulgar and offensive are:
“You’re wrong.”
particularly when they’re so often true…
And as a preamble to the “mugshots” post at SoL Ken (I guess) writes:
“Unfortunately with no shortage of timid fellows in evangelical leadership positions women like Ingrid Schlueter are left with little choice than to continue to be “more man” than these other men.”
Androgynous anyone?
Why don’t you do a post on THAT kind of naughty language? What IS acceptable and what is not? What is strong and confrontational language and what is personal attack and boorish invectices? What is descriptive and what is a graceless label? And when a pastor is involved in a moral failure, is it OK to say this:
“No pastor caught with his pants down need ever fear going hungry.” (Ingrid)
This entire subject is at the core of the problem, and until we Christians learn how to forcefully communicate our views without grandstanding and using our view to annihilate everyone with a different, even profoundly wrong, perspective.
Many today practice a technologically superior form of the Salem witch hunts, but a form nonetheless.
#10
Oh, yes! the X is always wrong and we get to question your salvation and calling if you do it…unless WE have to do it to correct you from destroying the sovereign work of the sovereign God who is so Sovereign that he needs us to protect that sovereignty.
yeah…and calling people out for wanting to the Holy Spirit is what is blasphemy.
Again, can anyone say “bat doo-doo crazy”?
I really like the petty name calling about being tan, and how people’s hair style and perceived politics are indicators of the genuineness of their relationship with Christ.
If there’s anyone who cares deeply about people becoming–in his own words–fully devoted followers of Jesus, it’s Bill Hybels.
Is her perfect? No.
Would I agree with all of his emphases in ministry?
No.
I guess Willow Creek’s music choice and failure to believe in infant baptismal regeneration is too much to bear.
nc – Yep. And this observation from Ken –
“timid fellows in evangelical leadership positions”
- is also an arrow that points to –
“But I am a bold warrior who rides the front lines, hazarding my life for the gospel’s sake, and swooping down to destroy the enemy who is about to ransack everything God controls.”
One day I might be such a warrior, but until then I will just be a timid fellow.
So we have on one hand the not so timid Mark Driscoll making a stand and saying things TOOOOO strongly and people who stand on Grace and the loving kindness of God… “timid fellows”…
It is a no win situation the ODM’s create and revel in…
A friend and I were once called a “gutless grace girlieman” because I take a stand on Grace… which I am proud to be one if it means being like the ODM. I was mocked over a post about how the love of God compels us yet I guess one is only strong if they speak only of the wrath of God?
iggy
This was the response of CRN about what they really think of Grace.
I love words. I love all words. I think words are only offensive insofar as their context is concerned.
That said, as a preacher, I am a big fan of words. I’ll quote from one of my favorite musicians, named undisclosed in case any boring ADM types show up and need ammunition,
Words are beautiful things. “Words be nimble, words be quick, words resemble walking stick.” (JD Morrison)
I have more of a problem with Driscoll, for example, addressing sex from the pulpit than I do with the words he chooses to use to do it.
Oh, but Rick, that’s the Truth ™ offending, so it’s OK. In fact it’s better than OK; it’s the right thing to do, Wilford.
(No, I don’t know why I’m channeling ADMs today.)
And when all the useless rhetoric cases, and all the self righteousness fails, and all the graceless verbiage drops silent, when all the dust that clouds the Spirit’s voice and keeps us from hearing the Risen Christ, this will remain forever -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brVIlXlJRkQ
Rick, thanks for the video link — what an awesome way to start the day!
I was actually there when that video was shot. Pretty cool…
Are you ready for some of my worst words? Hate, Condemnation, Accusation, Law, Indoctrination, Judging, Intollerance, Unacceptance.
One of mine is “Mate”.