Talk about adding to the Gospel…Talk about teaching “another Gospel”.

I’m actually thankful for these videos because it only serves to confirm the truth of Scripture with regard to….the ODM’s.

“The measure with which you measure will be measured to you.” When you start becoming the self-appointed keepers of the jihad, guess what happens?

You inevitably realize you’re guilty of the very thing you obsess over.

Iggy is right. These people, for all their fear of “another Gospel” end up teaching “another Gospel”.

Their rabid anti-Catholicism makes the irony only sweeter.

Shameful!

Anyway, it’s worth a second look, especially if it’s a dull nes day for moral failure.

Now, one of those megachurch pastors says explicitly knowing me doesn’t have anything to do with your salvation, and they go into conniption fits over it.

I would note the past history of ADMs in general, and this one in particular makes the use of a two minute clip in a sermon particularly suspect.

They said “it is NOT RIGHT” to serve tables. Iggy, you and I sometimes understand on a different page. The pastor’s high brow attitude is unchristian even though he was making good points.

Makin a good point is not a license to speak anyway you want to, I believe that has been addressed on this blog at some length, so it seems you are more charitable to someone with whom you agree.

The elders in Acts refused to help feed widows. Can you imagine? The most uneremphasized part of a church and the elders is prayer. We’ve yet to see what God can do when sought with all our hearts.

Some of the points that Pastor Noble made were legitimate, his attitude was unhelpful.

I am not sure that they “refused” rather they saw the work as needed done yet time consuming. So they appointed others to do it. That is not refusing to do it as it is getting done.

I actually understand Noble’s attitude. It is not bad at all… in fact more people need to know they should not sit in their chair and just watch church happen, they are the church and need to get out and be it and do the work of Jesus as part of it.

It should annoy us that some complain about the worship music or that the pastor is not available at their beckoned call.

One of my best friends is the pastor where I attend church… in fact we used to go out for coffee all the time. Now that the church has had some good growth, I can’t remember when the last time we went out. I do not see that as a slight, rather that he has his family first and then who God needs him to be with. I guarantee that many would see him as not a good friend or that since he is not available whenever they feel like they need him… they would leave the church.

The idea at our church is that we still get together for leadership meetings, yet understand that each of the leaders will have a circle they revolve in and minister to… sometimes the circles intersect and sometimes not… yet if not, then we do not feel like the other does not care for us…

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The last thing I want is someone who shows up in some sort of uniform because it’s “ministry time” or someone who shows up looking like a faker.

If it’s a suit person I hope they show up in a suit, if it’s a t-shirt person I sure hope they show up in a t-shirt.

This took a long time for me as I was really caught up in my own bias for people in t-shirts and jeans, I used to talk about how I automatically distrusted clean shaven people in suits, but I realized I was being just as sinful in my favoritism (see James) as the people who had rejected me in churches because of the way I dressed.

Some of the points that Pastor Noble made were legitimate, his attitude was unhelpful.

Well you can if you sacrifice your family and your own relationship with Christ.

I guess the church will actually have to pick up the slack and be the church to one another.

What I always find funny is the same people who expect the pastor to be at their beck and call and at every single life event are usually the same people that expect the pastor to keep regular office hours, to have a well prepared sermon and chair every committee.

The church I serve in has the healthiest view on this I’ve seen in a while, the pastor almost works more as a coordinator for who is with you at 3 am or at your side in the hospital if he can’t be there himself. I think that is kind of the happy medium of what everyone here is talking about, it moves away from a pastor-centered faith, gets the church off it’s butt to actually be the church, and someone is there for you when you need it, whether it be a pastor, elder, deacon, sunday school teacher, music director, youth worker, greeter or janitor, someone will be there for you and it doesn’t create that sickness where you want a superhuman to be the one to do it.