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		<title>By: iggy</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-4/#comment-86911</link>
		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And this conversation has forced me to make decision. From this day forward, I will never do another good work. I will turn a deaf ear to all suffering, I will mock tragedy, and I will never meet the needs of another person. Why?

So when I get to heaven, I can prove to you guys that you can still get to heaven just by faith. I am beginning…NOW.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does this mean you will be writing for SoL or CRN?

iggy :smile:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And this conversation has forced me to make decision. From this day forward, I will never do another good work. I will turn a deaf ear to all suffering, I will mock tragedy, and I will never meet the needs of another person. Why?</p>
<p>So when I get to heaven, I can prove to you guys that you can still get to heaven just by faith. I am beginning…NOW.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this mean you will be writing for SoL or CRN?</p>
<p>iggy <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nc</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86908</link>
		<dc:creator>nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, not pertinent to this thread I know...

but i just wanted ya&#039;ll to know that it happened just like I said it would. It only took 3 days, but here you go:

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/purpose-driven-madness/rick-warren-prayed-in-the-name-of-false-christ-isa/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, not pertinent to this thread I know&#8230;</p>
<p>but i just wanted ya&#8217;ll to know that it happened just like I said it would. It only took 3 days, but here you go:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/purpose-driven-madness/rick-warren-prayed-in-the-name-of-false-christ-isa/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/purpose-driven-madness/rick-warren-prayed-in-the-name-of-false-christ-isa/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86906</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,  I have not read all the comments... who advocates what that you need to prove this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,  I have not read all the comments&#8230; who advocates what that you need to prove this?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86905</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this conversation has forced me to make decision. From this day forward, I will never do another good work. I will turn a deaf ear to all suffering, I will mock tragedy, and I will never meet the needs of another person. Why?

So when I get to heaven, I can prove to you guys that you can still get to heaven just by faith. I am beginning...NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this conversation has forced me to make decision. From this day forward, I will never do another good work. I will turn a deaf ear to all suffering, I will mock tragedy, and I will never meet the needs of another person. Why?</p>
<p>So when I get to heaven, I can prove to you guys that you can still get to heaven just by faith. I am beginning&#8230;NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86904</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are generic good works, horizontally measured abd sometimes used of God but is not working through them in the same way He works through us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are generic good works, horizontally measured abd sometimes used of God but is not working through them in the same way He works through us.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Miller</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86903</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you suggest that God is doing good works through all religions then I strongly disagree.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t see how you can disagree.  God works through non-Christian people all the time.  If I go to a non-Christian doctor and he diagnoses my sickness and helps me get well, that a good work.  God used him.  That pattern is repeated all throughout the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you suggest that God is doing good works through all religions then I strongly disagree.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can disagree.  God works through non-Christian people all the time.  If I go to a non-Christian doctor and he diagnoses my sickness and helps me get well, that a good work.  God used him.  That pattern is repeated all throughout the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86902</link>
		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Rick, God did not soften and harden the heart of Pharaoh... He did not soften the heart of  Xerxes toward Esther and so on? God does not hold the hearts of kings in His hands both saved and not?

I agree there is a difference between the &quot;works&quot; yet to say God does not do His work through unbelievers as well means we need toss out much of the OT.

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Rick, God did not soften and harden the heart of Pharaoh&#8230; He did not soften the heart of  Xerxes toward Esther and so on? God does not hold the hearts of kings in His hands both saved and not?</p>
<p>I agree there is a difference between the &#8220;works&#8221; yet to say God does not do His work through unbelievers as well means we need toss out much of the OT.</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86901</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unregenerate &quot;good works&quot; are filthy rags. If you suggest that God is doing good works through all religions then I strongly disagree. The unregenerate are spiritually dead and cannot do God&#039;s works. 

I cannot understand this entire conversation. God only has one family, all the others have a different father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unregenerate &#8220;good works&#8221; are filthy rags. If you suggest that God is doing good works through all religions then I strongly disagree. The unregenerate are spiritually dead and cannot do God&#8217;s works. </p>
<p>I cannot understand this entire conversation. God only has one family, all the others have a different father.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86900</link>
		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

No doubt a person who does not know Jesus can do good works, and even be guided by God to do so... but this if not mixed with faith amount to nothing as far as our relationship.

A Mormon or satanist can do good things like feed the poor, but their motives are what matters. If of God and for God, it is by God... if not it is man&#039;s works that mean nothing in the eternal scheme of things.

The issue is not whether man can do good or not... all men are capable of doing good... it is sustaining doing good that is what cuts us all down... Just as we think we are good at doing good we do something wrong.

The works of God being done by a believer or say the King of Babylon who attacked Israel... are God&#039;s work and will fulfill their purpose according to God&#039;s will.

So no works will not save us but no where in the bible is it stated man cannot do good on his own at times. 

This is much which Bonhoeffer as well as Iraenius state in their writings. 

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>No doubt a person who does not know Jesus can do good works, and even be guided by God to do so&#8230; but this if not mixed with faith amount to nothing as far as our relationship.</p>
<p>A Mormon or satanist can do good things like feed the poor, but their motives are what matters. If of God and for God, it is by God&#8230; if not it is man&#8217;s works that mean nothing in the eternal scheme of things.</p>
<p>The issue is not whether man can do good or not&#8230; all men are capable of doing good&#8230; it is sustaining doing good that is what cuts us all down&#8230; Just as we think we are good at doing good we do something wrong.</p>
<p>The works of God being done by a believer or say the King of Babylon who attacked Israel&#8230; are God&#8217;s work and will fulfill their purpose according to God&#8217;s will.</p>
<p>So no works will not save us but no where in the bible is it stated man cannot do good on his own at times. </p>
<p>This is much which Bonhoeffer as well as Iraenius state in their writings. </p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/22/jesus-was-emergent/comment-page-3/#comment-86899</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil&#039;s contention in comment #136 is that all good works come from God, even that Mormon man. Do you subscribe to that position?

Therefore God is doing all good through everyone from ma Satanist to an evangelical pastore and in tha scenario he gives credibility to heretics and enemies of the cross. So when Bin Laden gives a colleague a cup of water that comes from God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil&#8217;s contention in comment #136 is that all good works come from God, even that Mormon man. Do you subscribe to that position?</p>
<p>Therefore God is doing all good through everyone from ma Satanist to an evangelical pastore and in tha scenario he gives credibility to heretics and enemies of the cross. So when Bin Laden gives a colleague a cup of water that comes from God?</p>
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