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	<title>Comments on: The Seven Cities of Revelation III: Pergamum &#8211; Satan&#8217;s Throne</title>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how her view squares with the doctrine of &quot;total depravity&quot;? I know, don&#039;t confuse me with facts. :cool:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how her view squares with the doctrine of &#8220;total depravity&#8221;? I know, don&#8217;t confuse me with facts. <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bo Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else struck by Ingrid&#039;s priorities in her recent &quot;hall of shame&quot; awards?  She writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt; It appears that the unsaved and unregenerate sometimes have a sense of moral decency apparently missing in those claiming to be Christians&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She also writes &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/evangelical-scandal/pastors-cooperation-with-r-rated-driscoll-questioned/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Mark Driscoll should be shunned by decent people everywhere. There are Mormons and certainly Muslims who have more of a sense of decency and propriety in sexual matters than he does.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It appears Ingrid has a lot in common with Mormons, Muslims, and the &quot;unsaved and unregenerate&quot; than she does with actual Christians.  She also has something else in common with them. 

 A complete and utter failure to care if any of them know about Jesus.  

At least that&#039;s all I can assume since she&#039;s doing her best to undermine ministries like Mars Hill Church, and Great Lakes Church who are bringing Jesus to people in their communities.  Just read through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/unified_boots_out_church_over_flier_4290987.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the comments&lt;/a&gt; on the news article she posted and you&#039;ll see several testimonies from individuals who are now following Jesus.  

So congrats Ingrid, and continue sallying forth with your horde of Mormons, Muslims,  and the unsaved and unregenerate against the work of the church to &quot;baptize and make disciples in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else struck by Ingrid&#8217;s priorities in her recent &#8220;hall of shame&#8221; awards?  She writes:</p>
<blockquote><p> It appears that the unsaved and unregenerate sometimes have a sense of moral decency apparently missing in those claiming to be Christians</p></blockquote>
<p>She also writes <a href="http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/evangelical-scandal/pastors-cooperation-with-r-rated-driscoll-questioned/" rel="nofollow">here</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mark Driscoll should be shunned by decent people everywhere. There are Mormons and certainly Muslims who have more of a sense of decency and propriety in sexual matters than he does.</p></blockquote>
<p>It appears Ingrid has a lot in common with Mormons, Muslims, and the &#8220;unsaved and unregenerate&#8221; than she does with actual Christians.  She also has something else in common with them. </p>
<p> A complete and utter failure to care if any of them know about Jesus.  </p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s all I can assume since she&#8217;s doing her best to undermine ministries like Mars Hill Church, and Great Lakes Church who are bringing Jesus to people in their communities.  Just read through <a href="http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/unified_boots_out_church_over_flier_4290987.html" rel="nofollow">the comments</a> on the news article she posted and you&#8217;ll see several testimonies from individuals who are now following Jesus.  </p>
<p>So congrats Ingrid, and continue sallying forth with your horde of Mormons, Muslims,  and the unsaved and unregenerate against the work of the church to &#8220;baptize and make disciples in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let’s just limit it to who takes just the three Sermon on the Mount chapters seriously?

Answer - No one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, except for the emerging church... :smile:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s just limit it to who takes just the three Sermon on the Mount chapters seriously?</p>
<p>Answer &#8211; No one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, except for the emerging church&#8230; <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Who takes the Bible seriously again?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Let&#039;s just limit it to who takes just the three Sermon on the Mount chapters seriously?

Answer - No one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Who takes the Bible seriously again?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s just limit it to who takes just the three Sermon on the Mount chapters seriously?</p>
<p>Answer &#8211; No one.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bo,

&lt;blockquote&gt;And good little puppets like Pastor Boy won’t say a thing. 

Who takes the Bible seriously again?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And in no way will he even grasp what you are getting at... the strings are just too tangled around him... either he has no ability to think for himself... or has never been freed to do so... or has no real desire to do so.

it is just easier for some to let other do all the real hard things like think for you.

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bo,</p>
<blockquote><p>And good little puppets like Pastor Boy won’t say a thing. </p>
<p>Who takes the Bible seriously again?</p></blockquote>
<p>And in no way will he even grasp what you are getting at&#8230; the strings are just too tangled around him&#8230; either he has no ability to think for himself&#8230; or has never been freed to do so&#8230; or has no real desire to do so.</p>
<p>it is just easier for some to let other do all the real hard things like think for you.</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bo,

&lt;blockquote&gt;So you’d be especially opposed to self-proclaimed Christian leaders who were divorced taking a public role?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He just won&#039;t get this... he won&#039;t even state that SoL is a ministry or not... 

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bo,</p>
<blockquote><p>So you’d be especially opposed to self-proclaimed Christian leaders who were divorced taking a public role?</p></blockquote>
<p>He just won&#8217;t get this&#8230; he won&#8217;t even state that SoL is a ministry or not&#8230; </p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Bo Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;-what role is there for someone who has been divorced?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh the ADMs answered that one a long time ago.

There are no roles the divorced can&#039;t take part in.  In fact, if someone is divorced then they can even assume the role of usurping the power of elders as Steve Camp and Ingrid Schleuter has. 

And good little puppets like Pastor Boy won&#039;t say a thing.  

Who takes the Bible seriously again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>-what role is there for someone who has been divorced?</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh the ADMs answered that one a long time ago.</p>
<p>There are no roles the divorced can&#8217;t take part in.  In fact, if someone is divorced then they can even assume the role of usurping the power of elders as Steve Camp and Ingrid Schleuter has. </p>
<p>And good little puppets like Pastor Boy won&#8217;t say a thing.  </p>
<p>Who takes the Bible seriously again?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have various and seperate issues on the proverbial table...

 -  should a believer marry a non-believer?

- what are the grounds for divorce?

-what role is there for someone who has been divorced?

- and the unmentioned - remarriage of the divorced?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have various and seperate issues on the proverbial table&#8230;</p>
<p> &#8211;  should a believer marry a non-believer?</p>
<p>- what are the grounds for divorce?</p>
<p>-what role is there for someone who has been divorced?</p>
<p>- and the unmentioned &#8211; remarriage of the divorced?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;    “I like to strive for a position somewhere between a Dobsonian “power over” - culture-war mentality and a Fruehian “have nothing to do with politics” mentality.” - Neil&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the original Greek - ???????????.

Compromise. :) - Rick&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>    “I like to strive for a position somewhere between a Dobsonian “power over” &#8211; culture-war mentality and a Fruehian “have nothing to do with politics” mentality.” &#8211; Neil</p></blockquote>
<p>In the original Greek &#8211; ???????????.</p>
<p>Compromise. <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; Rick</p></blockquote>
<p>No.</p>
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		<title>By: M.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to me that some Christians who take the hardest lines on various issues of biblical interpretation are also the first to say &quot;surely Jesus didn&#039;t mean that divorce is *only* permitted in cases of sexual immorality... what if it&#039;s a case of abuse or neglect?&quot;  

What if it is, don&#039;t we take Jesus at His word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to me that some Christians who take the hardest lines on various issues of biblical interpretation are also the first to say &#8220;surely Jesus didn&#8217;t mean that divorce is *only* permitted in cases of sexual immorality&#8230; what if it&#8217;s a case of abuse or neglect?&#8221;  </p>
<p>What if it is, don&#8217;t we take Jesus at His word?</p>
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