Recently a friend of mine who doesn’t blog shared these thoughts with me: I felt it was worthy of some discussion here.
Joe,
Ken Silva posts this little tidbit:
You miss my point: We [Ken and Ingrid Schleuter] are led by the Lord to write what we write. In that sense we are together.
Wow. This just leads to so many issues. Such as…
Emotionalism
We’ve seen both Ken and Ingrid condemn modern worship practices, writers, and speakers as worthless due to their emotional nature. They’ve gone so far as to state that emotions are manipulated in order to over ride what the Word of God says. I happen to agree with them. In this case emotionalism has trumped the word of God as these two believe they are “lead by the Lord” to write what they write. Pretending that statements like “we are lead by the Lord to write…” is anything but emotion is delusion.Two popes walk into western europe…
At one point in time two popes existed. They ended up disagreeing and ex communicating each other.So what happens when Ken and Ingrid disagree with each other? Is God leading in two different directions? Which brings us to another issue that’s problematic to say the least. Ken is an SBC pastor (what? you hadn’t heard?) and Ingrid identifies as Lutheran.
This presents some difficulties, because if God is “leading” them to write, why hasn’t he lead one or the other of them into truth? The differences between Lutherans and Southern Baptists are so profound that they can’t even worship together. Just to list a few: infant baptism, the real presence, baptismal regeneration, liturgical worship, and the function of clergy.
Do they really expect us to believe that God is far more concerned with wearing flip flops in church, and showing film clips before sermons than he is on these issues which the Scriptures specifically address? Apparently what really concerns God isn’t in the Bible.
What about when they’re wrong?
Both Ken and Ingrid have published writings that are factually wrong. What happened? Was God just out on this one? Did He drop the ball on these posts? Or is it far more reasonable to assume that Ken and Ingrid aren’t being lead by God to write anything?This doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of how God is leading them into writing in a way that is unBiblical. We’ve pointed out in multiple instances where their tone is so far from what we are commanded to be. So is God leading them in a way that is contrary to the scriptures? Or should we just assume there’s no truth to the claim that God is leading them to do anything?
As noted above, this is just another example of emotionalism overriding the Word of God.
~Dave
Now, my friend believes that God does call us, but he also believes (as I do) that calling will lead to fruit that looks like fruit of the Spirit.
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Joe,
Excellent points by y0ur friend. I agree wholeheartedly. Several years ago I used to check in at Slice every day. I thought Ingrid was spot on. Then over time things changed, got much darker and condemning and were are where we are today. Ken has always been problematic in my book. Even back at the start it became evident that Ken believes he is a modern day prophet and hears directly from God. There is no reasoning with such people. I am certainly no fan of the seeker movement and see many problems with the emergent conversation. But I do believe in logic and consistency which does not seem to be high on the “must have” lists of the ODMs. I appreciate this site’s administrators who are willing to at least discuss the issues.
This is the question I ask ever so often… whose “truth” is the “Truth”?
If Ken says do not participate in the apostate “Advent”…
And Ingrid states she is looking forward to “Advent” and then posts about how wonderful it is….
And they both claim to be writing the truth….
Who then shall we believe?
The SBC who has a questionable standing with his overseers? The Lutheran who will say she watches the RCC channel as it is better than the evangelical religious station? The “pastor” who states anything remotely RCC is apostate?
Oh the list goes on and on…
Both claim to be writing for God… and yet their “God” contradicts himself over and over…. and people who back both of these “ministries” turn a blind eye and defend them as both right…. really the hypocrisy is overwhelming at times!
Believe me, for anything questionable about the emerging church, at least it seems to be biblically rooted, has a grasp a church history and honestly attempts to serve God and love people… and somehow as we do that we are the bad guys.
iggy
It’s all nothing more than spiritual narcissism. And how does Ken Know that God tells Ingrid what to write? Because she agrees with him. Brilliant!
BTW Ken – I will see your “God led me to write this” and raise you “God appeared to me in a burning hedgebed and told me to tell you that isn’t Him you hear”.
My “hedgebed” trumps your milquetoast “led”.
“I wrote this, therefore it must be of God.”
I believe that the phrase that we’re looking for here is “cart before the horse”.
Or maybe “hideous chutzpah”.
Take your pick.