Iggy’s suggestion that sinners who wind up in hell are all forgiven is goofy

I can accept “goofy” though I see it as biblically consistent.

iggy

Here is the deal. I do not want to monopolize this thread any more with this conversation.

Though I truly do not believe you honestly want to understand my view, I am willing, at my own expense to send you a couple of books for you to read. These books had a profound influence on me in my understanding of Grace.

You may email me iggy@wwdb.org if you want me to do this. In the email give me your shipping address and I will send them out via Amazon.com

If you email me to only argue, I will just send your emails to my junk folder…

iggy

I am not scared of a verse and this is why I am not continuing the conversation as you seem to keep acting like I have not interacted with you.

How does Peter say we receive forgiveness… Through Jesus name… why, because of the cross… as I have been saying… So Peter agrees with me.

So that is it… I have no fear in what the bible says, but as Rick states, you seem to have fear of the word all and trying to understand anything outside of the bounds of you systematic theological view. I pray you will be able someday be able to give others grace that Calvin taught and that you might even someday even understand your own theological view if you desire to engage with others and tell them they are wrong.

iggy

However, to suggest that the overwhelming majority of sinners have not even been included in the redemptive offer of God’s love does serious violence to the redemptive realities. And to suggest that God has appeased Himself by culling out a miniscule subset of humanity as representative of His infinite love is also Biblical heresy.

Calvinism continues to misrepresent Biblical Christianity and does not even blush when called by the name of a murderer. Even the great preacher Charles Spurgeon viewed Calvinism as an idol, because that theology breeds self righteousness. Many who embrace that theology after salvation describe it as an epiphany with the same effervescence as they do salvation.

Reference this thread where the energy emanates from defending and promulgating Calvinism, not Christ. And what kind of “sovereignty” suggests that only God exclusively can open people’s hearts to truth, including choosing who He will enlighten, and yet Calvinists spend an inordinate amount of time scolding those who teach free will?

The entire Calvinistic display is a conundrum wrapped in a paradox wrapped in an oxi-moron and presented in several confilcting Biblical principles. Other than that, it seems to be OK.

what makes you think that?

Thomas,

I have been stating the same thing this whole time….

So you see repentance as an unnatural response that we do in order to get salvation?

Again, we will not agree on your interpretation on Ephesians… as I see it is about Jesus and that when we come to faith which is a gift, we are then place in Christ and predestined to be conformed to His image.

So we are at a stalemate as I stated a while back.. and it sounds like you are confused and all over the map… and truly do not desire to understand my view, only to argue that it is wrong. I have wasted much time so I pray you will come to a fuller understanding of the grace and knowledge of Jesus…

we are truly done…

iggy

No, I do not see salvation as an “unnatural response.” It is a response that we make after God has supernaturally enabled us to repent of our sins and come to faith in Him.

I am confused and all over the map? Haha, alright. I guess only a person that is confused and all over the map as you yourself are could come to the conclusion that it is me who is confused and all over the map.

But to say we are predestined to be conformed to His image… yet not to be predestined to salvation… doesn’t work Iggy. Could you explain what you mean by that?