I find the “timid listeners” quip to be…well, never mind. Given some of my more virulent posts and comments over the past three years I would not classify myself as a timid listener.

I guess I must reference comment #82 once again.

“Go and sin no more” is, in content, saying “stop doing that!” There’s no search for justification required.

Now, it also looks like you’re taking issue (if I read you correctly) at Driscoll’s tone of voice. If all of his sermons had that particular style of rant, I might see your point. However, I think there are biblical examples (besides John the Baptist’s “brood of vipers” rant) to draw from. Off the top of my head, I’d point to Jesus’ teaching at Cesarea Philippi in Mark 8:34-38.

In v. 34, we read – Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples… the word here used for ‘called’ actually would indicate that Jesus is yelling at them. And what was he yelling at them?

If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

He is issuing a call to holiness.

I would also note that this video clip is not Driscoll shouting at a group of random strangers on a beach, “stop sinning!” – this is a pastor issuing correction to members of his flock – professing believers.

As for his masculine/macho approach to some issues, I’m really struggling to see why it’s such a problem.

We could warn people, though, I suppose, by having the appropriate posters in the lobby to warn timid listeners…

i personally prefer:

ingridic…

Strawman, over the top, a little strong, etc.

Unacceptable:

Pastorboyan, Ingridesque, etc.

We are good, Neil, let’s do lunch.

My apologies.

And I do not see the connect between my comments and PB’s. Your last sentence returns us to the land of strong exchange sans the diversion of comment catagorization. I will procede with no prejudice.

I legitimately don’t see the disconnect, between “Quite doing that” and “Don’t do it anymore.”

“has caused you to take up Pastorboyan tactics.”

That ad hominen quip is usually what takes place when issues become secondary. I suggest that you did not enjoy Joe’s approach to you but can be employed when it becomes convenient for you.

My comments are not “tactics”. I will attempt to provide more palatable verbiage that will not draw comparisons to PB’s “tactics”.

How about “I disagree with Mark Driscoll’s approach”? I will expect that same tepid verbiage when it comes to Ken and Ingrid.

I disagree with Ingrid’s approach. I would not want to be accused of using Pastorboyan tactics toward Ingrid, unless there is a double standard.

In this case Rick, I think your dislike for Driscol (which I am not commenting on either way) has caused you to take up Pastorboyan tactics.