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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/11/17/bait-and-switch-at-a-new-level/comment-page-6/#comment-106622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>257--I believe I have been advocating such a thing for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>257&#8211;I believe I have been advocating such a thing for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/11/17/bait-and-switch-at-a-new-level/comment-page-6/#comment-106610</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1976 I enetered Bible College (primarily a CMA) and I had been saved for 1 1/2 years. I was 24 years old. I was sitting in the class called &quot;Genesis&quot; and I was a blank slate. I only knew that I fully believed in Jesus.

The professor says in his intro:

&quot;If you do not believe in the 24 hour creation day, you will have trouble throughout the Bible.&quot;

I was an amateur astronomer and a baby Christian, and he was a Godly man - a retired pastor. When I heard that warning I immediately embraced the 24 hour day because I thought it was tethered to understanding the entire Bible.

Eventually I came to the conclusion it was not a death hill for me. It still may be true, but it is not a gospel tenant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1976 I enetered Bible College (primarily a CMA) and I had been saved for 1 1/2 years. I was 24 years old. I was sitting in the class called &#8220;Genesis&#8221; and I was a blank slate. I only knew that I fully believed in Jesus.</p>
<p>The professor says in his intro:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you do not believe in the 24 hour creation day, you will have trouble throughout the Bible.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was an amateur astronomer and a baby Christian, and he was a Godly man &#8211; a retired pastor. When I heard that warning I immediately embraced the 24 hour day because I thought it was tethered to understanding the entire Bible.</p>
<p>Eventually I came to the conclusion it was not a death hill for me. It still may be true, but it is not a gospel tenant.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M.G. 

genesis vs. job.

well, it&#039;s because, for ideological reasons, PB has made an &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; decision about how he is going to approach the text. 

that &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; decision does not rise from the text itself, it rises from the consensus of his particular community on how to view the text/engage the text. 

thus proving the post-modern insight about communal interpretive authority. 

they wrap it in a thin veneer of claims about faithfulness to the Bible, but in reality they have prior commitments that they cannot afford to acknowledge or admit are there. 

in the end they love their ideology more than the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@M.G. </p>
<p>genesis vs. job.</p>
<p>well, it&#8217;s because, for ideological reasons, PB has made an <i>a priori</i> decision about how he is going to approach the text. </p>
<p>that <i>a priori</i> decision does not rise from the text itself, it rises from the consensus of his particular community on how to view the text/engage the text. </p>
<p>thus proving the post-modern insight about communal interpretive authority. </p>
<p>they wrap it in a thin veneer of claims about faithfulness to the Bible, but in reality they have prior commitments that they cannot afford to acknowledge or admit are there. </p>
<p>in the end they love their ideology more than the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#255/256...

Or we can get past the surface issues we spend so much time on and actually discuss something meaty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#255/256&#8230;</p>
<p>Or we can get past the surface issues we spend so much time on and actually discuss something meaty.</p>
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		<title>By: pastorboy</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/11/17/bait-and-switch-at-a-new-level/comment-page-6/#comment-106607</link>
		<dc:creator>pastorboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#255 you can always talk with Chad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#255 you can always talk with Chad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we don&#039;t talk to PB, who will we talk with around here? The choir?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we don&#8217;t talk to PB, who will we talk with around here? The choir?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

You are correct.  Though I do find it interesting when a new subject comes up, like the They Like Jesus but Not the Church&quot; thread.

I never would have expected him to respond as he did in that thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>You are correct.  Though I do find it interesting when a new subject comes up, like the They Like Jesus but Not the Church&#8221; thread.</p>
<p>I never would have expected him to respond as he did in that thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes the way we all collectively argue with PB here reminds of a woman who&#039;s married to an abusive husband.  &quot;I know that eventually he&#039;ll change, I just need to try harder...&quot;

Really, after literally years of arguing over the same things, hasn&#039;t it been proven to us that he&#039;s simply not going to ever change his mind?  At least not by anything we&#039;re going to say to him.  He&#039;ll continue to think we&#039;re apostate, and we&#039;ll try to speak reasonably with him - he won&#039;t listen.  Rinse.  Repeat.

Honestly, perhaps it is time as commenters and writers we take a step back and think again about how we interact with him.  There comes a time and place where you have to quit playing by the rules troublemakers want you to play by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes the way we all collectively argue with PB here reminds of a woman who&#8217;s married to an abusive husband.  &#8220;I know that eventually he&#8217;ll change, I just need to try harder&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Really, after literally years of arguing over the same things, hasn&#8217;t it been proven to us that he&#8217;s simply not going to ever change his mind?  At least not by anything we&#8217;re going to say to him.  He&#8217;ll continue to think we&#8217;re apostate, and we&#8217;ll try to speak reasonably with him &#8211; he won&#8217;t listen.  Rinse.  Repeat.</p>
<p>Honestly, perhaps it is time as commenters and writers we take a step back and think again about how we interact with him.  There comes a time and place where you have to quit playing by the rules troublemakers want you to play by.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/11/17/bait-and-switch-at-a-new-level/comment-page-5/#comment-106603</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe the Genesis account of creation is literally metaphorically. (Anyone who disagree? Welcome to the lake of fire!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

HERETIC!  The very clear and obviously simple reading is metaphorically literal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe the Genesis account of creation is literally metaphorically. (Anyone who disagree? Welcome to the lake of fire!)</p></blockquote>
<p>HERETIC!  The very clear and obviously simple reading is metaphorically literal!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, this verse has been smashed into Genesis 1 to say that each day equals 1000 years, so God cannot really speak things into being, he must allow them to evolve, and this takes time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now this is classic strawman.

You take a theistic-evolution scenario, that basically says God used evolution as his method of choice and twist it (create a strawman) into a weak argument that says God cannot... he must...

From God choosing a method to God cannot and must...

Do you see how you have changed the argument so as to more easily dismiss it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, this verse has been smashed into Genesis 1 to say that each day equals 1000 years, so God cannot really speak things into being, he must allow them to evolve, and this takes time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now this is classic strawman.</p>
<p>You take a theistic-evolution scenario, that basically says God used evolution as his method of choice and twist it (create a strawman) into a weak argument that says God cannot&#8230; he must&#8230;</p>
<p>From God choosing a method to God cannot and must&#8230;</p>
<p>Do you see how you have changed the argument so as to more easily dismiss it?</p>
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