(And yes, this title is a riff off of one of the more measured — but still wrong — criticisms of Piper’s decision.)

It was noted earlier this year that John Piper has invited Rick Warren to speak at this year’s Desiring God national conference. This has been public information for at least a couple months, but was more formally announced in recent days.

When this announcement was made, to quote Tillie in Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner? , “all hell done broke loose”.

Now, admittedly, I was a bit surprised by the invitation. There are some things that Warren has written which strike me as being in error, as best as I interpret Scripture. And, then there’s those dang Hawaiian shirts.

But, on the other hand, some of the criticisms of Warren take asininity to a height that would give a Sherpa a nose-bleed.

Either way, I wouldn’t consider Warren to be part of (what I affectionately have termed) “the Piper posse”. But hey, I have a great appreciation for Pastor John. And ya know what? Before further investigation into any issue, if he and I disagree on something, I’m putting my money on him turning out to be the one who is right.

Does that mean that I give him a free pass and blindly follow whatever he says or does? No, not by a long shot. (And I’d venture to say that he wouldn’t want that, either.) In fact, I know there are some issues that he and I disagree on, and I’m fairly certain that my view is correct.

There is, admittedly, a part of me that wants to say, “C’mon; this is John freakin’ Piper we’re talking about!!” But even setting aside any “celebrity pastor” status, we have to look at the man’s track record. And ya know what? At the end of the day, we’re talking about the track record of John freakin’ Piper.

(And the circle of life is complete.)

Seriously, if I’m going to claim anything even approximating intellectual honesty, I need to hear him out even if he says that all 43-year-olds should be painted purple and hung upside-down from a flagpole next Wednesday. Granted, that one would probably need a long expository explanation; but, to whatever degree I ought to give the benefit of the doubt to any Christian brother or sister, Pastor John should be getting it ten-fold.

And yet we’re hearing nothing but criticism for Piper’s decision. Some of it may be valid; some is tiresomely obtuse, rehashing sad (and untrue) whacks at Warren; and some of it takes the form of crap like this (referring to Piper’s upcoming sabbatical):

If [I] had just endorsed Rick Warren and brought him to my conference, I’d take a sabbatical, too. Permanently.

But all of it (that I’ve seen, anyway) is ostensibly coming from those that like and/or admire Piper. With friends like these ….

What I am completely incredulous about, though, is that Piper made clear why he made this decision and some of the criticisms actually quote his reasoning — verbatim — and yet miss the whole thing. Part of what Piper said was this (emphasis mine):

When I wrote [to Rick Warren] … I said “the conference is called ‘Think: The Life of the Mind and the Love of God.’ I want you to come. You are the most well-known pragmatist pastor in the world. I don’t think you are a pragmatist at root. Come and tell us why thinking Biblically matters to you in your amazingly pragmatic approach to ministry.”

One of the corollaries to Occam’s Razor says, “Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.” In that spirit, I’m going to assume that those who quoted Piper (and yet totally whiffed on the content of the quote) did so out of a mistake and not a willful blindness born of a hatred for Warren. So let me spell it out. And let me do so by past example.

A few years ago, Piper invited Mark Driscoll to speak at a DG conference. The God-blogosphere was all abuzz with what a Bad Idea this was. Most of it surrounded predictions that Driscoll’s invitation would result in a plague of locusts in downtown Minneapolis and a protest headed by Chris Rock and Quentin Tarantino over all the foul language that Driscoll would use.

And when, at the conference, Piper gave Driscoll a mild bit of fatherly admonishment, many of the critics took this as validation of their prognostication, as though Piper had rent his clothes in agony and apologized for screwing up so badly by inviting Driscoll. When Piper heard that his words were being used to bash Driscoll, he was appalled.

Now, I don’t know if you’ve noticed (and if you only listen to him to find new stuff to criticize, then you probably haven’t), but Driscoll has become a bit more mature and a bit less rash over the last few years. In short, Mark is growing. While all credit goes to God on this one, I’d bet dollars-to-doughnuts that his relationship with Piper is one of the tools that God is using in this process. And maybe, just maybe, the fact that Piper invited him to speak at DG helped to show how much Piper meant business.

So now Piper is cultivating a relationship with Rick Warren. And here’s what I hear Piper essentially saying:

There are many ways in which you and I, foundationally, believe the same things. Now in my sphere, the way that this plays out in my life and the lives of many of my peeps is XYZ. But in your life, this plays out differently. Show us how you get from point A to point B.

Honestly, this is a challenge that Piper has presented to Warren. But not in the sense of throwing down a gauntlet. I believe that Piper truly believes that there is a path from point A to point B, and he is genuinely interested in seeing how this plays out. Right there is enough reason for Piper to have extended the invitation.

But even if we assume the worst, and there is not a path from point A to point B, and Warren falls flat on his theological face, who’s to say that the whole Piper posse influence doesn’t cause Warren to step back and think some things through? While Warren is not a young buck (so he probably won’t have the Timothy-Paul relationship with Piper that Driscoll has), it’s hard to imagine him being involved with someone God is using mightily and not being affected in some way.

There are only three conclusions that I can reach about much of the virulent criticism:

  1. There are many professing Christians out there that not only think that Warren is in error, but genuinely believe that God is totally incapable of changing him. Even if we set aside the laughable nature of such a view, it becomes even more ludicrous for someone to claim any affinity for Piper — someone who is all about God’s sovereignty — and yet believe in such a wimpy God. It would be more logical for Ahmadinejad to claim that he greatly admires the teachings of a particular Hasidic rabbi.
  2. There are many professing Christians out there that think that the worst will happen — Warren’s head will start spinning and he’ll vomit pea soup from the pulpit at Bethlehem — and yet Piper won’t do or say anything. An examination of Piper’s track record would indicate otherwise. At one conference (and I’m not even sure it was his conference), one speaker said something with which Piper strongly disagreed, and when it came his turn to speak, he made no bones about the disagreement before launching into his message. (This viewpoint also points to a God who is totally incapable of protecting His sheep from error. See previous comment about Ahmadinejad.)
  3. There are many professing Christians out there that don’t want to see certain people drawn closer to God, because it would upset the apple-cart of their philosophical belief system — something that I doubt God gives a rip about.

Perhaps there is a fourth, more charitable, conclusion out there. But, frankly, I ain’t holdin’ my breath.

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1   John Hughes    
April 8th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

Believe it or not, I’m in pretty much agreement. Again, I’m not going to recommend RW and will even warn against him, but let’s stay level headed and show **some** Christian charity.

2   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 8th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

Those that wear God’s sovereignty as a personal badge seem to see the sky falling at the slightest disturbance in the force. Some of these conferences have become modern day money changing houses where hundreds of thousands of dollars are exchanged in hotel rooms, meals, gratuities, and Christian “products”.

And now they are arenas for processing a man’s compromise. And they even have conjured up a label (remember that post?). They are calling it “Warrengate”.

I’m sure God gave them that in a prayer closet. :cool:

3   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 15th, 2010 at 5:15 am

From Mike Ratliff’s blog about Rick Warren:

“You and your minions have much to answer for at the Great White Throne Judgment, which is indeed in your future. I suggest that you either repent of this or start preparing for that.”

So much is wrong here. Besides Mike knowing indeed Warren is not saved, how can he repent if God will not grant him repentance? And how do you “prepare” for the Great White Throne Judgement? A list of creative excuses?

Calvinists are a funny bunch of squirrels.

4   Joe    http://christianresearchnetwork.com/index.php?s=john+chisham
April 15th, 2010 at 9:25 am

Calvinists are a funny bunch of squirrels.

That one in particular. Some time when you’re bored go through and count how many of his blog entries start out with references to him.

5   M.G.    
April 15th, 2010 at 5:13 pm


All of the ODMs are glorified mad-libs. Mike Ratliff’s just tends to start with “I was thinking today about the increasing apostasy found in the supposed Church…”

From there, the sky’s the limit.

6   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 15th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

The problem with a continual obsession with the apostasy is that it usually emanates from an “I am a committed disciple of Jesus” platform. A suggestion for a different post preamble:

“I was thinking today of how self righteous I am, and how I should be further along in my walk than I am, and how little I pray for, cry over, and love the men I castigate.”

And then translate that statement into Koine Greek!

7   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 15th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

BTW – This gem from a couple of posts ago on Mike’s blog:

“To be honest, the closer I get to the front lines in serving my Lord, the more our enemy attacks me. The more I suffer.”

Anyone who suggests that the “front line” can be found on blogs, or America for that matter, is delusional. And I suppose the attacks of the enemy include unkind e-mails, deleated comments, and people like me who see more than a monolithic perspective. Why oh why are there no mirrors in ODM land?

8   Brendt Waters    http://csaproductions.com/blog/
April 16th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

Apparently, Mike applies the wrong half of 1 Peter 2:20 to himself.

9   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 16th, 2010 at 7:03 pm

Former Christian martyrs:

Blandina: She was tortured by tormentors who took turns from morning till night until they were overcome. She continued to live despite her whole body being torn asunder and pierced. Later, she was bound and suspended on a stake, being exposed as food for wild animals. When none of the animals would touch her, she was taken down from the stake and returned to prison for another time. Then, after scourging, exposure to animals, and roasting, she was thrown into a net and cast before a bull. After much tossing from the animal, she died. (172-179)

Today’s Christian martyrs:

“I get nasty e-mails and endure criticism from apostates. The front line sure is full of suffering. ”

No need to do the math.