“Whatever individuals conclude about the causes or cures of homosexuality, the church should offer more support for gay Christians who want to be celibate members of the Christian community but know that struggling with sexual temptation is more than they can bear in aloneness.”
–Tony Campolo, Speaking My Mind, 69








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The only “support” anyone gets from any particular “Christian community” is usually reserved for those who think alike. Struggles are either overcome or they indicate an unregenerate nature, according to some.
And believers can volitionally exceed the speed limit, waste obscene amounts of money on themselves, enjoy nudity in movies, spew hateful words toward others, and hold up certain men as idols. But let someone struggle with homosexuality and that person is anathema.
Do we even know what redemption is, and do we even know what justification by faith alone is? The gospel is now: Believe in the 24 hour creation day and do not be gay and thou shalt be saved.
Wow, I seem to have hit a nerve with you on this one Rick.
PS–I don’t enjoy nudity in movies, but I am a bit more tolerant of it than most.
I really appreciate that Campolo mentioned “celibate” instead of simply allowing them to be welcomed and left alone in their sin. He at least acknowledges that it is an issue to be worked on, just like pride, greed, lust, anger, etc.
A much better response than some others near-cartoonish responses to homosexuality along the lines of “you’re gay? You are beyond hope! Burn!!”.
Yes, Jerry, I have a heart for gay people that I did not used to have. A sinner comes to church, walks the aisle, and makes a profession of faith in Jesus Christ. This man has a lot of money stacked up through years of hard work, business guile, and even some taking advantage of others.
Much of his money is filthy lucre and gotten by a sinful obsession to have more. He is in a business that wheels and deals and is designed for ultra-capitalism. This man is welcomed into the fellowship with no strings attached.
No one watches his bank account and no one examines his dealings. No one sees if he reliquished much of his time in business to spend time with Christ and his family. He still struggles with cursing and smoking, but no one puts him on a time frame for repentance and no one suggests he may niot be saved if he does not give up those habits.
Did I mention that he is married for one year to the woman for whom he left his ex-wife? But no one suggests that he jump through any hoops in order to be welcomed and considered “saved”. He doesn’t have to remain “celibate” in order to establish his repentance for the adultery and its ongoing fruits.
This man blends into this fellowship, never goes to Sunday School, loves the after church get togethers, and has an affection for the pastor. Did I mention that this man gives regularly to the church?
But let us not forget…this man is heterosexual. Saved!
Good stuff. You totally have a point Rick. People glide through church without accountability, which comes through small groups and close friends. Perhaps we don’t have the balls to call someone on their gossip/lies/sexual sin/ you name it?
One thing I would note (from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians) – Paul’s instructions on expelling a member (who was in a relationship w/ his mother/step-mother) was dealing with how the church ought to deal with members who are living in blatant, obvious, unrepentant sin.
Part of the issue of homosexuality is that many churches treat the same-sex attraction as “blatant, obvious, unrepentant sin”, when (as Campolo notes in his citation of celibate homosexuality) it is the acting on the attraction which is sinful, not the temptation itself.
Being drunk is a sin, and living in a constant state of drunkenness in sinful. However, those who are trying to escape alcoholism are (quite often) in a constant state of temptation toward drinking – but it is not the temptation that defines living in a state of sin, but we would not consider this sinful unless they fall to the temptation…
Right. If the temptation (to sin) were all that mattered, none of us ought to be calling ourselves christians…
[I swiped this from a friends blog. (h/t Regan)]
Tony Campolo shares the following story about a gay classmate in the documentary Lord, Save Us From Your Followers.
When I was in high school there was this boy name Roger. He was outed – a gay kid and his homosexual orientation became known. West Philadelphia High was a huge and tough inner-city school. You can imagine what we did fifty years ago when ignorance prevailed on this issue. We humiliated this kid at every turn.
On Fridays, after phys-ed, when all of the other kids would go into the shower Roger wouldn’t go in with us; he was afraid to. When he took his turn we waited for him with our wet towels, and when he would come out, we would whip him and sting his little body.
I wasn’t there the day that they took Roger and dragged him into that shower room and shoved him into the corner. While he yelled and screamed for mercy, five guys urinated all over him. I wasn’t there when that happened.
He went home. He went to bed at about ten o’clock. They say it was about two o’clock in the morning when Roger went down into the basement of his house and he hung himself. I knew I wasn’t a Christian because if I was a Christian, I would have been Roger’s friend. You don’t have to legitimate somebody’s lifestyle in order to love that person, to be brother or sister to that person, and to stand up for that person.
Amen!
Maybe since celibacy is a “virtue” that all Christians are called to practice; not just dirty homos.
If I’m not mistaken, Jesus was celibate?
Brett,
You ruined your argument when you used the word ‘all’. Sorry, not ‘all’ are called to that particular ‘virtue.’
jerry
Homosexuals and heterosexuals that are single have the same standards from the scriptures, their temptation is just different. Homosexuals burn in lust for other men, heterosexuals burn in lust for women.
Christians, however, are not to walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. [24] And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:22-24 ESV
Christians are not perfect, however they are called to crucify the flesh with its evil desires, whether it be greed, drunkeness, lying, or being controlled by lust.
That is well said John.
Jerry,
I don’t think so.
I am a happily married man, (with all of my body parts still working “drug-free”; thanks be to God!) But there are times when the lord calls me to self-control of my bodily passions.
Celibacy and virginity are not the same thing in my book.
But what do I know, you may be right.
By the way; I’ve missed you guys!