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1   Jerry    http://www.dongoldfish.wordpress.com
April 8th, 2011 at 9:39 am

Nice.

2   Rick Frueh    
April 8th, 2011 at 11:05 am

The exuberant applause from the followers makes him a doctrinal rock star! MacArthur has those as well. Listen to the Shepherd’s Conference and you will hear the same squealing applause although from different people.

I believe…oh, never mind, just applaud. :cool:

3   Joe    http://christianresearchnetwork.com/index.php?s=john+chisham
April 8th, 2011 at 11:27 am

I believe some people will always hate other people…but that’s another day I suppose.

4   Rick Frueh    
April 8th, 2011 at 11:53 am

I believe some people will always judge other people. Can you lend me the heart telescope?

5   Christian P    http://www.churchvoices.com
April 8th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

If only everybody celebrated when such joyful truths are proclaimed.

6   Rick Frueh    
April 8th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

If only it was the truths they ere celebrating.

7   Joe    http://christianresearchnetwork.com/index.php?s=john+chisham
April 8th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

Based on #6, I’d say you never returned it.

8   Christian P    http://www.churchvoices.com
April 8th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

Did they cheer after he said his name? No. Did they cheer after he said where he was from? No Did they cheer after he said he was a Christian? Yes.

Stop judging their motives Rick. Also, he flat out says what he believes here. Have you nothing to say for what you said over the past month about him?

9   Jerry    http://www.jerryhillyer.com
April 8th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

Don’t get sucked in CP.

10   neil    
April 8th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

Can you lend me the heart telescope? – rick to joe

If only it was the truths they ere celebrating. – rick to all

so i guess this means he did lend you the heart telescope.

11   neil    
April 8th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

i see nothing wrong with people cheering when somene says something withwhich they agree… particularly when said statement is biblical truth.

12   Rick Frueh    
April 8th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

The Bell cavalry comes a ridin’! There was Someone who answered not a word. And He wrote a great Book!

I refuse to be a PR agent for any man. Poor picked upon Rob Bell. And the Calvinist blogs come to MacArthur’s defense as well. It only matters what horse you’re ridin’.

13   Tim    
April 8th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

Also, he flat out says what he believes here. Have you nothing to say for what you said over the past month about him?

This.

14   Neil    
April 8th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

rick,

i think you are projecting onto us, the same extreme attitude you have regarding bell – only the converse of it.

except for the op – which i assume was posted for clarity’s sake – no comments have defended bell. so you “cavalry” comment is totally off base.

all the comments have been in response to your judgments of those who applauded his comments.

so i repeat my statement (@11) in the form of a question. why do you judge as inappropriate, or what is wrong with a crowd cheering when someone says something with which they agree… particularly when said statement is biblical truth?

15   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
April 8th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

Rick, please take a step back and a deep breath. This is a good example of someone having their mind made up about someone else. And no matter how many times quotes are presented or sermons are emailed or quotes from books are put back into their context, you still refuse to even bend a little. You continue your personal vendetta and unsubstantiated accusations against a brother in Christ. Just stop. You tell us to let it go, but you are unable to.

16   Rick Frueh    
April 8th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

Personal vendetta? OK. If you say so.

17   Neil    
April 8th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

it’s unlikely a personal vendetta, since you’ve never met bell. but ’tis true what nathanael said otherwise.

your feelings against bell are so strong (which is fine if you so choose) you assume those who disagree must feel as strongly in favor of him.

that is not the case… particularly on this thread.

18   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
April 8th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

It’s just hard for me to understand why you refuse to relent just a little. It’s a bit odd.

19   Joe    http://christianresearchnetwork.com/index.php?s=john+chisham
April 8th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

Rick, I actually typed my original comment without reading yours. It wasn’t until after I saw your second one, which I assumed was directed at me that I even read your first one.

20   Aaron    
April 9th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

just for general clarity, is there anyone that is disliked by EVERYONE together? Osteen? T.D. Jakes? Marcion or Pelagius?

21   Rick Frueh    
April 10th, 2011 at 5:52 am

Phelps, I hope.

22   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
April 10th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

just for general clarity, is there anyone that is disliked by EVERYONE together? Osteen? T.D. Jakes? Marcion or Pelagius?

Like/Dislike is probably the wrong paradigm, since it often takes personality/style into account, and that is it focused on people rather than beliefs.

Agree/Disagree is probably the more apropos one. And I would say that most (if not all) the writers here would disagree with the “Prosperity Gospel” (often associated w/ Osteen, Jakes and others), extreme fundamentalism (like Phelps), outright hypocrisy between orthodoxy and orthopraxy (see Phelps, again), dualism (such as was espoused by Marcion), gnosticism (including modern manifestations seen within parts of Reformed and Evangelical traditions, as Manicheanism, in which meeting the temporal needs of people is viewed as “of the flesh” and pitted in detriment against dogma/doctrine, as “spiritual” things).

As for Pelagius, we don’t discuss him much, though I think most of us accept that man has free will granted to him by God. In this light, several of us (including myself) would claim neither Calvin’s or Arminius’ systematic theologies as our own, since the original church – as founded in the Gospels and Acts – held to no fully-formed systematic theologies.

23   pastorboy    http://www.riveroflifealliance.com
April 14th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

Rob Bell is a liar.

http://www.gty.org/Blog/B11O414

His books, sermons, even this video which supposedly shows him saying all the right things is a lie.

Who is the Father of Lies?

24   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
April 14th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

From the link:

When a person begins to question the justice of God in the punishment of the wicked, practically every point of gospel truth is suddenly put at risk.

So the gospel hinges on punishment?

25   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
April 14th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

#22 Pastorboy is far more of a liar and slanderer in one day than Rob Bell has accomplished in a lifetime. What a whack-job.

26   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
April 15th, 2011 at 12:07 am

Not surpisingly, Johnny Mac commits slander by putting words in Bell’s mouth (in a few cases) dishonestly. Just from Love Wins, for example, Johnny Mac quotes:

Love Wins, p. 107: [There will be] “endless opportunities in an endless amount of time for people to say yes to God.”

In actuality, the section Mac quotes begins:

“And then there are others who ask, if you get another chance after you die.”…”And so they expand the possibilities, trusting that there will be endless”…

In this section, Bell is laying out multiple views, but he doesn’t claim any of them. Mac lies (just like his disciple, Pastorboy) by claiming this is Bell’s view.

So yeah, not surprising to see lies from PB or his mentor.

27   Tim    
April 15th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

At some point you have to quit chalking these sorts of things up to sloppy research.

28   Neil    
April 16th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

re 23

29   nathan    
April 17th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

“Who is the Father of Lies?”

You don’t know your daddy?

“For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.” Matt. 7:2