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		<title>The Naivete of One</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does everything seem to be about numbers and lists and steps?*
I was taking a minute this morning to peruse some of the headlining  blog posts and the Twitter feed at Churchleaders.com and here’s a  sampling of what I found:
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Ten Reasons Twitter is like a marathon
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everything seem to be about numbers and lists and steps?*</p>
<p>I was taking a minute this morning to peruse some of the headlining  blog posts and the Twitter feed at Churchleaders.com and here’s a  sampling of what I found:</p>
<blockquote><p>Twelve Reasons Why Church Membership Matters</p>
<p>Ten Reasons Twitter is like a marathon</p>
<p>Ten Ministry Principles I Wish I Knew When I Started</p>
<p>Nine Reasons why you shouldn’t give up</p>
<p>Eight Leadership quotes and lessons from Super 8</p>
<p>Five Ways to Protect the Heart of a Leader</p>
<p>Five Distortions of the Gospel in our Day</p>
<p>Four Ways to Show Outsiders You Care</p>
<p>Three Stumbling Blocks to Forward Progress</p>
<p>Three Theological Foundations Shaping 21st Century Youth Ministry Strategy</p>
<p>Two Rules for Transparency in the Pulpit**</p></blockquote>
<p>There was also an advertisement: 25 Proven Outreach ideas for your church.</p>
<p>Really?</p>
<p>And if I had looked harder, I’m sure I would have found 6 &amp; 7,  and maybe 11. (And believe me when I say there were other 2, 3, 4, 5, 8,  9, 10, and 12’s scrolling on the Twitter feed and on the news page.</p>
<p>I have to be honest with you: this bores me to tears. Does anyone  really expect anyone to keep all those numbers or lists in their head?  This is one thing I dislike about the generation of humanity now living:  everything can be summed up in a bulleted list. Sometimes I think  preachers or writers do these list things because Jesus isn&#8217;t  interesting enough. That&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see someone write an article at Churchleaders.com titled: One Reason Jesus is Enough.</p>
<blockquote><p>I just want to take a moment to express my angst. I hate  PowerPoint. And I hate lists. And I hate 3, 4, 5, or any ‘point’  sermons. I’m sure they are helpful for someone, but I’m not interested. I  have also decided that if I ever have the privilege of preaching weekly  in a local church again, I will not ever use PowerPoint. This is only  tangentially related to my point.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK. That’s my technology rant. Here’s my real point: Do we really  need 2 of this or 3 of that or 9 of these and 10 of those? Do we? Is  this the point of how to be a ‘good leader’ or how to ‘do the job well’?  Isn’t One thing enough? Or is that too simple for the church to  comprehend? Or are leaders simply incapable to understanding anything  apart from a bullet point, numbered list?</p>
<p>I’m reminded of a song by Rich Mullins: <a href="http://www.christianlyricsonline.com/artists/rich-mullins/my-one-thing.html" target="_blank">My One Thing</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Everybody I know says they need just one thing<br />
And what they really mean is that they<br />
need just one thing more<br />
And everybody seems to think<br />
They&#8217;ve got it coming<br />
Well I know that I don&#8217;t deserve You<br />
Still I want to love and serve You<br />
More and more<br />
You&#8217;re my one thing</p>
<p>Save me from those things<br />
That might distract me<br />
Please take them away and purify my heart<br />
I don&#8217;t want to lose the eternal for<br />
The things that are passing<br />
&#8216;Cause what will I have when the world is gone<br />
If it isn&#8217;t for the love that goes on and on with</p>
<p>&#8216;Cause who have I in Heaven but You Jesus?<br />
And what better could I hope<br />
To find down here on earth?<br />
Well I could cross the most distant reaches<br />
Of this world, but I&#8217;d just be wasting my time<br />
&#8216;Cause I&#8217;m certain already I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d find</p>
<p>You&#8217;re my one thing (one thing)<br />
You&#8217;re my one thing (one thing)<br />
And the pure in heart shall see God***</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m not putting down Churchleaders.com or the people who write there.  I’m just asking a question: Is it too simple to say to the leader:  Jesus is enough? Is it naïve to say only One Thing matters?</p>
<p>Frankly, I think too many people make it way too difficult to be a Jesus follower let alone a preacher in the church.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to  have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and  straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the  prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus”  (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+3%3A13-14"class="biblegateway_link" >&#80;&#104;&#105;&#108;&#105;&#112;&#112;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#49;&#51;&#45;&#49;&#52;</a>).</p></blockquote>
<p>*Don&#8217;t read too much into this article. Mostly I found it amusing that  so many articles began with the idea that &#8220;Here is a Definitive List of [some important topic]&#8220;. It seems about as creative as stacking rocks.</p>
<p>**I have written out the word for the numbers due to a formatting glitch. The articles themselves use the representative symbols (i.e., 12 or 2 or 3, etc.)</p>
<p>***That’s only a portion of the lyrics. There’s more. Mullins may not have been making my point, but I like the song and wanted to include it.</p>
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		<title>A Helpful Reminder</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/how-to-have-a-rational-discussion/">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>What&#8217;s the Frequency, Kenneth?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 15:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the last week, I&#8217;ve read a lot about Rob Bell&#8217;s new book.  This post isn&#8217;t about that.  This post, ultimately, isn&#8217;t about people&#8217;s responses to what they&#8217;ve read or seen about about the book, or even about my response to them.  Reading comments on an article about the book, however, is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last week, I&#8217;ve read a lot about Rob Bell&#8217;s new book.  This post isn&#8217;t about that.  This post, ultimately, isn&#8217;t about people&#8217;s responses to what they&#8217;ve read or seen about about the book, or even about my response to them.  Reading comments on an article about the book, however, is the thing that got me thinking.  One of the comments I read said the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>With all due respect, what is the most loving thing one can do for another? The most loving thing we can do is tell another about the most loving thing anyone has ever done… Christ’s death on our behalf (plethora of Scriptural references follow.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now as I read that, I wasn&#8217;t really surprised.  It&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve basically heard my entire life.  I&#8217;ve probably said something very similar at different points in my life.  But as I read it in that context, it made me stop dead in my tracks.  Perhaps it was the writer&#8217;s use of the descriptor &#8220;most&#8221;.  Is the act of telling another person the story of Jesus the most loving thing we can do.  That is, is the act of sharing certain information with other people actually what constitutes love?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wrestling with this idea the last few days.  I genuinely do think that the act of telling, sharing is implicit in how the Gospel spreads.  Humans are verbal creatures, and every human culture has storytellers.  It&#8217;s in our DNA to share stories with each other.  My question is, though, does the Gospel go beyond the act of simply transmitting information?</p>
<p>The conclusion I&#8217;ve come to is that, yes, it must.  If we are simply telling people they are sinners in need of a savior, but refuse to engage in actual, tangible things that demonstrate love to people, do we love them?  A number of years ago, the book <em>The Five Love Languages</em> was all the rage (I believe it still sells quite well).  In the book, Gary Chapman lays out the simple proposition that there are five ways in which people give and receive love &#8211; words of affirmation, quality time, receiving gifts, acts of service, and physical touch.  Now the book itself is geared more towards marriage relationships, but as I think of the relationships I have with friends in my life, and I realize that the same principles can apply in just about any relationship.</p>
<p>The thing that I notice about all of them is that they truly cost something for the one attempting to show love to the other person.   It takes effort to encourage someone.  It is difficult to spend quality time with someone when I have a busy schedule to worry about.  The list goes on.  Love isn&#8217;t the easy thing.  A lot of the time it&#8217;s the thing I&#8217;d rather not do.  I would rather stay at home and watch the game on Saturday rather than help a single mom move into a new apartment.  I&#8217;d rather go to the pub with my friends rather than volunteer to tutor the kids for the single father.</p>
<p>So as far as what is the &#8220;most loving&#8221; thing to do, I guess I come down to the answer that there simply isn&#8217;t a simply answer.  What is most loving to my neighbor depends on my neighbor&#8217;s needs, and it depends on me being open to pour myself out.  I tend to think that simply sharing information about Jesus, as important as that is, is often seen by those we are trying to share with as the easy way out &#8211; drive-by evangelism in a drive-thru world.  The Gospel becomes simply another sales pitch, and we become little more than the salesman at Best Buy trying to sell an extended warranty.</p>
<p>This, of course, isn&#8217;t a new problem.  Saying one thing and doing another is part of the human condition.  The truth that Christ brought when He came is that He didn&#8217;t simply say He loved humanity.  He demonstrated through His miraculous works, His tender compassion, and ultimately through His death on the cross.  The question is will we truly follow Christ.  Are we willing to take up our crosses for the sake of those who need to be loved?  Or will we be content to simply think that sharing information with people is enough.</p>
<blockquote><p>My dear children, let&#8217;s not just talk about love; let&#8217;s practice real  love. This is the only way we&#8217;ll know we&#8217;re living truly, living in  God&#8217;s reality. It&#8217;s also the way to shut down debilitating  self-criticism, even when there is something to it. For God is greater  than our worried hearts and knows more about us than we do ourselves.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3%3A18-20"class="biblegateway_link" >&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#49;&#56;&#45;&#50;&#48;</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>If Phinehas had a Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the opening verses of Joshua 22 the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh are commissioned by Joshua and sent on their way.  They have chosen to live on the opposite side of the Jordon from the rest of Israel.  So the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh left the Israelites [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the opening verses of Joshua 22 the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh are commissioned by Joshua and sent on their way.  They have chosen to live on the opposite side of the Jordon from the rest of Israel.  So the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh left the Israelites at Shiloh in Canaan to return to Gilead, their own land, which they had acquired in accordance with the command of the LORD through Moses (v. 9).  When they returned to their land they built an imposing altar there by the Jordan (v.10).</p>
<p>This did not sit well with the remaining tribes.  In fact, the whole assembly of Israel gathered at Shiloh to go to war against them (v. 12).  OK, they didn&#8217;t like this &#8211; but war?  Was this really offensive enough to kill a brother?  Apparently it was, since altars were used to worship pagan gods and any worship of the God of Israel must be done in the tabernacle (cf. Lev. 17).</p>
<p>But before attacking them and leveling out justice, some decided to question them.  They sent a guy named Phinehas and a few leaders and  asked them how could they could break faith with the God of Israel like this?  How could they turn away from the LORD and build yourselves an altar in rebellion against him now? (v.13).  Legitimate questions &#8211; no doubt.</p>
<p>They responded quite definitively:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">21Then Reuben, Gad and the half-tribe of Manasseh replied to the heads of the clans of Israel: <sup id="en-NIV-6449">22</sup> “The Mighty One, God, the LORD! The Mighty One, God, the LORD! He knows! And let Israel know! If this has been in rebellion or disobedience to the LORD, do not spare us this day. <sup id="en-NIV-6450">23</sup> If we have built our own altar to turn away from the LORD and to offer burnt offerings and grain offerings, or to sacrifice fellowship offerings on it, may the LORD himself call us to account.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><sup id="en-NIV-6451">24</sup> “No! We did it for fear that some day your descendants might say to ours, ‘What do you have to do with the LORD, the God of Israel? <sup id="en-NIV-6452">25</sup> The LORD has made the Jordan a boundary between us and you—you Reubenites and Gadites! You have no share in the LORD.’ So your descendants might cause ours to stop fearing the LORD.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><sup id="en-NIV-6453">26</sup> “That is why we said, ‘Let us get ready and build an altar—but not for burnt offerings or sacrifices.’ <sup id="en-NIV-6454">27</sup> On the contrary, it is to be a witness between us and you and the generations that follow, that we will worship the LORD at his sanctuary with our burnt offerings, sacrifices and fellowship offerings. Then in the future your descendants will not be able to say to ours, ‘You have no share in the LORD.’</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><sup id="en-NIV-6455">28</sup> “And we said, ‘If they ever say this to us, or to our descendants, we will answer: Look at the replica of the LORD’s altar, which our ancestors built, not for burnt offerings and sacrifices, but as a witness between us and you.’</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><sup id="en-NIV-6456">29</sup> “Far be it from us to rebel against the LORD and turn away from him today by building an altar for burnt offerings, grain offerings and sacrifices, other than the altar of the LORD our God that stands before his tabernacle.”</p>
<p>When Phinehas and the leaders of the community heard what Reuben, Gad and Manasseh had to say, they were pleased (v 30).  They were glad to hear the report and praised God.  And they talked no more about going to war against them.(v. 33).</p>
<p>Now, let us imagine what this would look like if Phinehas and the leaders each had a blog.  And let&#8217;s assume each were self-appointed watchman set on pointing out any way in which the tribes of Israel strayed from the fold &#8211; whether or not the straying violated God&#8217;s Law &#8211; or just their cultural preferences.</p>
<p>If that were the case, Phinehas may have indeed believed the Reuben, Gad and Manasseh and even reported this to the Israelites and praised God.  But the others were not so sure. They would blog and comment on each others blogs saying:</p>
<p><em>I do not believe they are being honest about their comments</em>.</p>
<p><em>I do not deny they are still faithful, but I want to see fruit before I believe them</em>.</p>
<p><em>I asked them about pagan altars, and they dodged my question with postmodern jargon like &#8220;</em>For us it is to be a witness between us and you and the generations that follow&#8230;<em>&#8221; &#8211; Why can&#8217;t they give a straight answer?</em></p>
<p>Others would chide  and mock Phinehas for meeting with them&#8230; saying only those with something to hide meet with enemies of Israel.</p>
<p>And so, even after the answers were given and the truth proclaimed&#8230; even after the issue should have been settled&#8230; it would fester in their watchful minds.</p>
<p>Why?  Because it is always easier and certainly more self-rewarding to assume the worst about people.  To point at other and say &#8220;They are different, therefore they are inferior&#8221; or &#8220;I want proof&#8230; proof based on my criteria.&#8221;  Or maybe just to say: &#8220;I do not like them, therefore I do not believe they are being honest.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>You called me a what?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a bit of reflection&#8230; of something that I am just as guilty of as those that I see doing it.
A thought that often pops up in my mind as I read &#8220;Christian&#8221; blogs and comments when people call each other names (liar, heretic, emergent, whatever) and the response that follows &#8211; why do we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a bit of reflection&#8230; of something that I am just as guilty of as those that I see doing it.</p>
<p>A thought that often pops up in my mind as I read &#8220;Christian&#8221; blogs and comments when people call each other names (liar, heretic, emergent, whatever) and the response that follows &#8211; <strong>why do we care so much about our &#8220;good names&#8221;</strong>.</p>
<p>When I look at the Lord&#8217;s Prayer this part stands in contrast to how we react to people calling our name or character into question:</p>
<blockquote><p><span>Our Father in heaven,</span><br />
<span>hallowed be your name,</span><br />
<span>your kingdom come,</span><br />
<span>your will be done,</span> &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>If we live for the honor of God&#8217;s name we cannot simultaneously live for the honor of our own name. It&#8217;s like trying to serve two gods &#8211; it&#8217;s a conflict of interests.</p>
<p>I cannot find one scripture where Jesus reacted to anyone who attacked his character. Whenever someone said something bad about Him, He always pointed them to the character of his Father. One example that stands out for me is the one in Luke 15 where Jesus is accused of associating Himself with sinners. He could have reacted in anger, telling them about how they where hypocrites being sinners themselves while He is holy and never sins. But instead He tells three stories demonstrating his Father&#8217;s heart for sinners.</p>
<p>If we confess that we have died with Christ and are raised in a new life with Him, living for His cause and not our own, our name and reputation shouldn&#8217;t be of concern. This protecting of our reputation on blogs and in comments shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Now, I know this is process we grow in &#8211; laying down our lives. That is why we should also have grace for one another in this respect.</p>
<p><strong>May we live for the honor of His Name alone!</strong></p>
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		<title>Out of the overflow of their heart&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 00:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;their fingers are typing.
This brilliant turn of a biblical phrase sums up the sympathy Dan Kimball expressed for Chris Rosebrough.  Why?  Because Chris had the nerve to spend time with Dan Kimball and as a result declared him a brother in Christ.  Apparently this brought a slew of accusations against Chris Rosebrough on his Facebook [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;their fingers are typing.</p>
<p>This brilliant turn of a biblical phrase sums up the sympathy <a href="http://www.dankimball.com/" target="_blank">Dan Kimball</a> expressed for Chris Rosebrough.  Why?  Because Chris had the nerve to spend time with Dan Kimball and as a result declared him a brother in Christ.  Apparently this brought a slew of accusations against Chris Rosebrough on his Facebook wall.   Not being a friend of Chris&#8217;s on Facebook, I did not see any of the attacks, but the excerpts make the point.</p>
<p>In response Chris Rosebrough dedicated his show on November 15th to an interview with Dan.  I urge that you follow this link and listen to it: <a href="http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2010/11/dan-kimball-interview.html" target="_blank">Fighting for the Faith, November 15, Dan Kimball Interview</a>.  I was excited to hear someone we have addressed as an ODM take the time to read Kimball and research his beliefs &#8211; and come to the conclusion that Kimball is a Bible-believing Christian who holds to the uniqueness of Christ, the existence of Hell, the authority of Scripture, a denial of universalism&#8230; etc.  And even though Chris and Dan disagree on methodology&#8230; they look at each other as brothers in Christ.</p>
<p>Of course this does not settle the issue.  As Kimball has said, some still accuse him even after being giving all the nescessary evidence to the contrary.  And although in the interview Kimball affirmed that his theology has always been conservative and that he wished he had made more clear distinctions in the earlier years of the Emerging Church conversation, one site responds to the interview by posting;</p>
<blockquote><p>Regardless of where he may, or may not, be now it’s simply beyond question that one of those involved with the [Emerging Church], right from very early on, would be Dan Kimball, author of The Emerging Church; no amount of attempts at obfuscation on anyone’s part can obscure that.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8216;Tis true &#8211; out of the overflow of the heart the fingers type blogs, and the hearts of some still overflow with bile.  But this is not the case for Chris Rosebrough.  I am sure that there will be many things Chris says in the future that will make me cringe&#8230; yet at the risk of sounding condescending&#8230; I am thrilled and pleased to see Chris take discernment seriously.</p>
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		<title>Podcast Mania</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the trip with my son this summer, a circuit from Vegas to the California coast, up to Canada, and down the Cascades back to Vegas (4,300 miles total &#8211; on a rented car   ), we had a good deal of time to talk and also time to catch up on a number [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the trip with my son this summer, a circuit from Vegas to the California coast, up to Canada, and down the Cascades back to Vegas (4,300 miles total &#8211; on a rented car <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), we had a good deal of time to talk and also time to catch up on a number of podcasts (since I&#8217;d stopped listening to sermon podcasts in March to try and go through the Bible).</p>
<p>As we were headed north, we caught up on about 6 months of Mars Hill Bible Church sermons &#8211; with a number of good discussions along the way (particularly in regards to the series on Jonah).  Then, in Seattle (as chance would have it), we switched to Mars Hill Church (Seattle), and caught up on most of the 2010 sermons (Driscoll&#8217;s a little long-winded, so we didn&#8217;t make it as far as we did with MHBC), which are all in Luke (and will probably still be in Luke for the next two years).</p>
<p>[Side note: A past PPP writer and I were discussing this a couple of weeks ago, and his comment - which made me laugh a little - was "I can't imagine either one of those churches would be all that pleased with your ultimate listening choices..."]</p>
<p>When we got home, Zan asked my son what he thought of the different churches&#8217; teaching (she prefers Driscoll&#8217;s more blunt expositional style).  He said that, while he learned a good deal from both (and from my interludes, explaining what &#8220;systematic theology&#8221; is, and a two-hour-long foray through the history of the church from 33 A.D. to the present, with a modern focus on the Restoration Movement churches), he thought that MHBC&#8217;s challenged him to think and reconsider how to live, based on what he believed.   However, he also thought, though, that MHC did a better job of getting across the basics of what Christians believe. (Which then brought about a discussion about how you can&#8217;t really know the character of a church community unless you&#8217;re part of it, since a community worship/teaching time is only one hour out of the week.)</p>
<p>I will say, though, that &#8211; podcasts aside &#8211; 4300 miles of driving and 19 days of camping allow time for a lot of learning, a lot of laughing, and a lot of discussion.  And &#8211; in a big thank-you to the PPP community &#8211; I can honestly say that if I&#8217;d never started writing here and interacting with the other writers and commenters, I would have been so much incredibly poorer in both understanding what I believe, and in knowing how to talk about it.</p>
<p>Thank you all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>the proud publican</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 22:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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(or I hate it when that happens)
&#76;&#117;&#107;&#101;&#32;&#49;&#56;&#58;&#49;&#48;&#45;&#49;&#52; (NKJV):
Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://csaproductions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/1984-11-10-3.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1705" title="i hate it when that happens" src="http://csaproductions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/1984-11-10-3.jpg" alt="i hate it when that happens" /></a><br />
(or <em>I hate it when that happens</em>)</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A10-14"class="biblegateway_link" >&#76;&#117;&#107;&#101;&#32;&#49;&#56;&#58;&#49;&#48;&#45;&#49;&#52;</a> (NKJV):</p>
<p>Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus&#8217; parable of the Pharisee and the publican (aka tax collector) is something that many of us cling to.  This world is lousy with Pharisees (particularly as described in this parable) and the advent of the blogosphere just gave them a bigger bully pulpit and a louder megaphone.  Trying to disabuse readers of some of their silliness &#8212; more specifically, trying to help others avoid the pain brought to me by the Pharisees in my own life &#8212; is one of the primary reasons that I write.</p>
<p>Well, apparently, God deemed that I needed to be smacked right between the eyes last night. It occurred to me &#8212; rather jarringly &#8212; that I have been guilty of living as though the publican prayed:</p>
<blockquote><p>‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust,  adulterers, or even as this <strong>Pharisee</strong>.’</p></blockquote>
<p>In short, I have been proud of my lack of pride.  I&#8217;m not sure which this is more &#8212; stupid or shameful.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about humility.</p>
<p><em>I have a feeling that I&#8217;m not alone.  I <strong>hope</strong> I am, but I kinda doubt it.  If the shoe fits, your mileage may vary, etc, etc &#8230;.</em></p>
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		<title>with all due respect</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(or Ricky Bobby becomes a theologian )
In case you were not aware, pastor/author Francis Chan is stepping down later this year after a decade and a half as teaching pastor of Cornerstone Church.  This video gives a short description of the decision. It&#8217;s also a bit amusing, as the guy who was interviewing Chan [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(or <em>Ricky Bobby becomes a theologian</em> )</p>
<p>In case you were not aware, pastor/author Francis Chan is stepping down later this year after a decade and a half as teaching pastor of <a href="http://www.cornerstonesimi.com/" target="_blank">Cornerstone Church</a>.  <a href="http://theresurgence.com/francis-chan-stepping-out-in-faith"title="Francis Chan Stepping Out in Faith"  target="_blank">This video</a> gives a short description of the decision. It&#8217;s also a bit amusing, as the guy who was interviewing Chan had <strong>no idea</strong> what was coming.  Watch his face in the first few minutes.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a <a href="http://vimeo.com/11060330"title="Surrender"  target="_blank">longer video here</a> &#8212; as Chan addresses his congregation regarding the decision.</p>
<p>Now, of those who know who Chan is, there are probably very few who didn&#8217;t already know about this transition.  So why bring it up, anyway?  Well, a sure sign that you&#8217;re getting older is that you have <em>déjà vu</em> more often (after all, if there&#8217;s &#8220;nothing new under the sun&#8221;, you&#8217;re bound to get more re-runs the longer that you&#8217;re on the planet).  And I had a massive, two-fold case of it recently.</p>
<p><strong>Piper-esque <em>déjà vu</em></strong></p>
<p>While some of the reaction to Chan&#8217;s decision has been positive &#8212; &#8220;Wow, rock on, bro; sounds like God is doing some serious stuff in your heart and life&#8221; &#8212; there has been other reaction that has been quite negative.  And the negative reaction isn&#8217;t just coming from the far-right fringe bloggers <a href="http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2010/03/02/another-gospel/"title="another gospel"  target="_blank">who only care about attaching labels</a> and don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s glutes as to the actual veracity of what Chan writes and teaches.  Rather, it&#8217;s coming from writers who, while further to the right than I am, I would consider to be rational and capable of conversation with those with whom they disagree.  While it&#8217;s not clear in some cases, many of these bloggers certainly seem to be people who like/admire Chan.  As I said recently about the crucifixion of John Piper, with friends like these &#8230;</p>
<p>Actually, a lot of the hub-bub surrounding Chan is quite reminiscent of the firestorm around Piper.  And much of the same reasoning that I discussed in <a href="http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2010/04/08/why-john-piper-did-well-to-invite-rick-warren/"title="why john piper did well to invite rick warren"  target="_blank">my last post about Piper</a> applies here as well.  For instance, while Chan&#8217;s track record is not as extensive as Piper&#8217;s &#8212; and it looks like it may never be, at least publicly, as God takes Chan off the radar &#8212; it&#8217;s still pretty clear that the guy has lapped me (and probably you) a few times spiritually.  And while (again) no one gets <em>carte blanche</em>, I&#8217;m thinking that a Christian brother needs to be given at least a tiny bit of the benefit of the doubt.</p>
<p>Since the Chan issue has no whipping-boy (<em>a la</em> Warren in the Piper issue), there are some points of divergence in the criticism.  One of them seems to be an appeal to cessationism.  Now while I think it&#8217;s a wrong viewpoint, I don&#8217;t have a major beef with cessationism.  Unfortunately, in most cases surrounding the criticism of Chan, it&#8217;s tied to something with which I <strong>do</strong> have a major beef.</p>
<p>Many of the writers criticizing Chan would claim to believe in <em>sola Scriptura</em>, and if that&#8217;s what they truly believed, I would agree with them.  But what they are actually espousing is not <em>sol<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">a</span></strong> Scriptura</em> (the belief that Scripture is the highest and ultimate guide for the Christian&#8217;s life), but <em>sol<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">o</span></strong> Scriptura</em> (the belief that Scripture is the <strong>only</strong> guide for the Christian&#8217;s life).  <em>Sol<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>a</strong></span></em> places things like counsel from other Christians, teachings, and guidance by the Spirit on a lower level than Scripture.  <em>Sol<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>o</strong></span></em> dismisses them entirely.</p>
<p>Now I would imagine that the writers who espouse <em>sol<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>o</strong></span></em> would argue that that&#8217;s not what they&#8217;re saying.  But when Chan <strong>specifically states</strong> that he&#8217;s been diligently searching the Scripture to be sure that this decision aligns with God&#8217;s Word, there are only two conclusions at which we can arrive:  (1) the aforementioned critics are ignorant of Chan&#8217;s statement* or (2) the aforementioned critics are genuinely espousing <em>sol<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">o</span></strong> Scriptura</em>.  If the latter is true, then &#8212; to be intellectually honest and consistent with their beliefs &#8212; they need to stop attending church immediately (and throw out chunks of the Bible, to boot).</p>
<p>(And yes, I recognize the conflict of a believer in <em>sol<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">o</span></strong> Scriptura</em> throwing out chunks of Scripture.  This is simply illustrative of the lunacy of such a belief.)</p>
<p>One other thought on this.  I defy anyone to watch this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2oi6y292kE"title="i dare you to pray this"  target="_blank">two-minute video of Chan</a> and tell me that this is not a man who takes the Bible very seriously.</p>
<p><strong>Bobby-esque <em>déjà vu</em></strong></p>
<p>In <em>Talladega Nights</em>**, there is a conversation between Ricky Bobby and his team&#8217;s owner, Larry Dennit Jr., after Bobby has won a race.  Dennit chides him on the &#8220;obscene gesture&#8221; that Bobby made, specifically as it relates to the NASCAR points and sponsorship dollars that it will cost them.  The following exchange ensues:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bobby: With all due respect, Mr Dennit, I had no idea you&#8217;d gotten experimental surgery to have your [censored] removed.</p>
<p>Dennit (indignantly): What did you say?</p>
<p>Bobby: Whoa, whoa!  I said it &#8220;with all due respect&#8221;!</p>
<p>Dennit: That doesn&#8217;t mean you get to say whatever you want to say to me.</p>
<p>Bobby: It sure as heck does! It&#8217;s in the Geneva Convention. Look it up!</p></blockquote>
<p><em>(The censored word refers to a portion of the anatomy often attributed to manliness.)</em></p>
<p>While the criticism of Chan and its theological ramifications are quite disturbing, I find it down-right terrifying that some of Chan&#8217;s critics are employing the same logic as Ricky Bobby.  They might not use the phrase &#8220;with all due respect&#8221;, but they often employ some radical, wild-eyed (and usually generic) example, quickly followed by &#8220;I&#8217;m not saying this about Chan, but &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Puhleeeeeze, Sparky.  If you&#8217;re not saying it about Chan, then why even bring it up in a blog post that&#8217;s all about criticizing his decision?  I&#8217;ve looked it up.  The Geneva Convention does not allow you to make crazy accusations about mythical third parties in the midst of a criticism of a real person, but preempt any cry of &#8220;foul&#8221; by simply saying that your crazy accusation was not in any way related to the real person.</p>
<p>With all due respect, we&#8217;re not as stupid as you show yourself to be.</p>
<p>* <em>I <strong>know for a fact</strong> that this is the case for one critic.  He&#8217;s actually proud of his willful ignorance.  Don&#8217;t confuse him with the facts; his mind&#8217;s made up.</em></p>
<p>** <em>(not a movie I&#8217;d recommend, FWIW)</em></p>
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		<title>why john piper did well to invite rick warren</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(And yes, this title is a riff off of one of the more measured &#8212; but still wrong &#8212; criticisms of Piper&#8217;s decision.)
It was noted earlier this year that John Piper has invited Rick Warren to speak at this year&#8217;s Desiring God national conference.  This has been public information for at least a couple [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>(And yes, this title is a riff off of one of the more measured &#8212; but still wrong &#8212; criticisms of Piper&#8217;s decision.)</em></p>
<p>It was noted earlier this year that John Piper has invited Rick Warren to speak at this year&#8217;s <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/Events/NationalConferences/2010/"title="Think: The Life of the Mind and the Love of God"  target="_blank"><strong>Desiring God national conference</strong></a>.  This has been public information for at least a couple months, but was more formally announced in recent days.</p>
<p>When this announcement was made, to quote Tillie in <em>Guess Who&#8217;s Coming to Dinner?</em> , &#8220;all hell done broke loose&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, admittedly, I was a bit surprised by the invitation.  There are some things that Warren has written which strike me as being in error, as best as I interpret Scripture.  And, then there&#8217;s those dang Hawaiian shirts.</p>
<p>But, on the other hand, some of the criticisms of Warren <a href="http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2009/01/28/whenever-you-assume-you-make/"title="whenever you assume ..."  target="_blank"><strong>take asininity</strong></a> to a height that would give a Sherpa a nose-bleed.</p>
<p>Either way, I wouldn&#8217;t consider Warren to be part of (what I affectionately have termed) &#8220;the Piper posse&#8221;.  But hey, I have a great appreciation for Pastor John.  And ya know what?  Before further investigation into <strong>any</strong> issue, if he and I disagree on something, I&#8217;m putting my money on him turning out to be the one who is right.</p>
<p><em>Does that mean that I give him a free pass and blindly follow whatever he says or does?  No, not by a long shot.  (And I&#8217;d venture to say that he wouldn&#8217;t want that, either.)  In fact, I <strong>know</strong> there are some issues that he and I disagree on, and I&#8217;m fairly certain that my view is correct.</em></p>
<p>There is, admittedly, a part of me that wants to say, &#8220;C&#8217;mon; this is John freakin&#8217; Piper we&#8217;re talking about!!&#8221;  But even setting aside any &#8220;celebrity pastor&#8221; status, we have to look at the man&#8217;s track record.  And ya know what?  At the end of the day, we&#8217;re talking about the track record of John freakin&#8217; Piper.</p>
<p><em>(And the circle of life is complete.)</em></p>
<p>Seriously, if I&#8217;m going to claim anything even approximating intellectual honesty, I need to hear him out even if he says that all 43-year-olds should be painted purple and hung upside-down from a flagpole next Wednesday.  Granted, that one would probably need a long expository explanation; but, to whatever degree I ought to give the benefit of the doubt to any Christian brother or sister, Pastor John should be getting it ten-fold.</p>
<p>And yet we&#8217;re hearing nothing but criticism for Piper&#8217;s decision.  Some of it may be valid; some is tiresomely obtuse, rehashing sad (and untrue) whacks at Warren; and some of it takes the form of crap <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2010/04/05/comments-policy-warren-and-piper-etc/"title="Comments policy, Warren &amp; Piper, etc"  target="_blank"><strong>like this</strong></a> (referring to Piper&#8217;s upcoming sabbatical):</p>
<blockquote><p>If [I] had just endorsed Rick Warren and brought him to my conference, I’d take a sabbatical, too. Permanently.</p>
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<p>But all of it (that I&#8217;ve seen, anyway) is ostensibly coming from those that like and/or admire Piper.  With friends like these &#8230;.</p>
<p>What I am completely incredulous about, though, is that Piper made clear <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShxvN8YWTlA"title="YouTube video"  target="_blank"><strong>why he made this decision</strong></a> and some of the criticisms actually quote his reasoning &#8212; verbatim &#8212; and yet miss the whole thing.  Part of what Piper said was this (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>When I wrote [to Rick Warren] &#8230; I said &#8220;the conference is called &#8216;Think: The Life of the Mind and the Love of God.&#8217; I want you to come. You are the most well-known pragmatist pastor in the world. <strong>I don’t think you are a pragmatist at root. Come and tell us why thinking Biblically matters to you</strong> in your amazingly pragmatic approach to ministry.”</p>
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<p>One of the corollaries to Occam&#8217;s Razor says, &#8220;Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.&#8221;  In that spirit, I&#8217;m going to assume that those who quoted Piper (and yet totally whiffed on the content of the quote) did so out of a mistake and not a willful blindness born of a hatred for Warren.  So let me spell it out.  And let me do so by past example.</p>
<p>A few years ago, Piper invited Mark Driscoll to speak at a DG conference.  The God-blogosphere was all abuzz with what a Bad Idea this was.  Most of it surrounded predictions that Driscoll&#8217;s invitation would result in a plague of locusts in downtown Minneapolis and a protest headed by Chris Rock and Quentin Tarantino over all the foul language that Driscoll would use.</p>
<p>And when, at the conference, Piper gave Driscoll a mild bit of fatherly admonishment, many of the critics took this as validation of their prognostication, as though Piper had rent his clothes in agony and apologized for screwing up so badly by inviting Driscoll.  When Piper heard that his words were being used to bash Driscoll, <a href="http://csaproductions.com/blog/?p=484"title="plays well with others"  target="_blank"><strong>he was appalled</strong></a>.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve noticed (and if you only listen to him to find new stuff to criticize, then you probably haven&#8217;t), but Driscoll has become a bit more mature and a bit less rash over the last few years.  In short, Mark is growing.  While all credit goes to God on this one, I&#8217;d bet dollars-to-doughnuts that his relationship with Piper is one of the tools that God is using in this process.  And maybe, just maybe, the fact that Piper invited him to speak at DG helped to show how much Piper meant business.</p>
<p>So now Piper is cultivating a relationship with Rick Warren.  And here&#8217;s what I hear Piper essentially saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are many ways in which you and I, foundationally, believe the same things.  Now in my sphere, the way that this plays out in my life and the lives of many of my peeps is XYZ.  But in your life, this plays out differently.  Show us how you get from point A to point B.</p>
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<p>Honestly, this is a challenge that Piper has presented to Warren.  But not in the sense of throwing down a gauntlet.  I believe that Piper truly believes that there <strong>is</strong> a path from point A to point B, and he is genuinely interested in seeing how this plays out.  Right there is enough reason for Piper to have extended the invitation.</p>
<p>But even if we assume the worst, and there is <strong>not</strong> a path from point A to point B, and Warren falls flat on his theological face, who&#8217;s to say that the whole Piper posse influence doesn&#8217;t cause Warren to step back and think some things through?  While Warren is not a young buck (so he probably won&#8217;t have the Timothy-Paul relationship with Piper that Driscoll has), it&#8217;s hard to imagine him being involved with someone God is using mightily and not being affected in some way.</p>
<p>There are only three conclusions that I can reach about much of the virulent criticism:</p>
<ol>
<li>There are many professing Christians out there that not only think that Warren is in error, but genuinely believe that God is totally incapable of changing him.  Even if we set aside the laughable nature of such a view, it becomes even more ludicrous for someone to claim <strong>any</strong> affinity for Piper &#8212; someone who is <strong>all about</strong> God&#8217;s sovereignty &#8212; and yet believe in such a wimpy God.  It would be more logical for Ahmadinejad to claim that he greatly admires the teachings of a particular Hasidic rabbi.</li>
<li>There are many professing Christians out there that think that the worst will happen &#8212; Warren&#8217;s head will start spinning and he&#8217;ll vomit pea soup from the pulpit at Bethlehem &#8212; and yet Piper won&#8217;t do or say anything.  An examination of Piper&#8217;s track record would indicate otherwise.  At one conference (and I&#8217;m not even sure it was <strong>his</strong> conference), one speaker said something with which Piper strongly disagreed, and when it came his turn to speak, he made no bones about the disagreement before launching into his message.  (This viewpoint also points to a God who is totally incapable of protecting His sheep from error.  See previous comment about Ahmadinejad.)</li>
<li>There are many professing Christians out there that don&#8217;t want to see certain people drawn closer to God, because it would upset the apple-cart of their philosophical belief system &#8212; something that I doubt God gives a rip about.</li>
</ol>
<p>Perhaps there is a fourth, more charitable, conclusion out there.  But, frankly, I ain&#8217;t holdin&#8217; my breath.</p>
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