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		<title>isn&#8217;t it irenic?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As you are likely aware, Chuck Colson died on Saturday. There have already been many glowing eulogies written about the man from all corners of Christendom.
In slight contrast, a friend of mine remarked that it&#8217;s sad that most of the articles in the secular press focus on his Nixon/Watergate years. One such article even (essentially) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you are likely aware, Chuck Colson died on Saturday. There have already been <strong>many</strong> glowing eulogies written about the man from all corners of Christendom.</p>
<p>In slight contrast, a friend of mine remarked that it&#8217;s sad that most of the articles in the secular press focus on his Nixon/Watergate years. One such article even (essentially) admitted to having to consult Colson&#8217;s web site to see what the man had been up to for the last 35 years. In one sense, this <strong>is</strong> sad. But in another sense, it&#8217;s a good thing. Though Colson <strong>was</strong> a prominent figure in the &#8220;culture wars&#8221;, he apparently did his fighting in such a way that he was not the focus.</p>
<p>Put another way, when John Doe heard the name &#8220;Chuck Colson&#8221;, he had one of two responses &#8212; either (1) &#8220;who?&#8221; or (2) &#8220;oh yeah, that Watergate guy.&#8221; He didn&#8217;t respond with, &#8220;oh yeah, that bigoted, homophobic and misogynistic jerk.&#8221; What does that say about who (or should that be &#8220;Who&#8221;) was most obvious in Colson&#8217;s life?</p>
<p><em>OK, to be fair, one John Doe <strong>did</strong> have that response. But <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/eulogies-and-dyslogies-for-charles-colson"title="Eulogies and Dyslogies for Charles Colson"  target="_blank"><strong>Franky Schaeffer</strong></a> has a history of selling entire books that bash on dead guys (like his own father) in order to prop up his own agenda. So one measly blog post is hardly noteworthy.</em></p>
<p>Outside of special cases like Schaeffer, the only people who seemed to have a major beef with Colson were from a segment of Protestantism that was far too uncomfortable with his work with Roman Catholics on ECT and the Manhattan Declaration. Now, it has been well established that Online Discernment [sic] Ministries [sic] are wildly Romophobic. So, I cynically asked some friends recently if they wanted to start a pool on which ODM would be first to dump on Colson for his associations with Catholics. After all, they have a history of using not-yet-cold dead guys to prop up their agenda, too.</p>
<p>Ya know what? As far as I can tell, none of them &#8220;went there&#8221;. Kudos to them.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s all I have to say. I just wanted to praise the authors for not &#8230;</p>
<p>Wait &#8230;</p>
<p>What ?!?!?!</p>
<p><em>(And you thought this post was over &#8230;.)</em></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a very prominent Christian blogger out there &#8212; we&#8217;ll call him Tom.</p>
<p><em>As is my wont, I&#8217;m not giving his real name. My issue is with the actions/attitudes, not the person. Though I don&#8217;t have any real desire to give the person any Google juice either.</em></p>
<p>Several years ago &#8212; I think it was in a comment thread on iMonk&#8217;s blog &#8212; someone referred to Tom as being &#8220;irenic&#8221;. At first I thought that was a typo, but &#8220;ironic&#8221; didn&#8217;t fit the context, so I hit an online dictionary and found this definition for &#8220;irenic&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>favoring, conducive to, or operating toward peace, moderation, or conciliation</p></blockquote>
<p>And I thought, &#8220;yeah, that&#8217;s a good description of Tom&#8221;.  While he had no &#8220;Randy Alcorn&#8221; <a href="http://csaproductions.com/blog/?p=211"title="alcorn rises above"  target="_blank"><strong>moment</strong></a> of major reconciliation, Tom is (was?) a very even-keeled guy who would seek to get rid of the dividing lines in Christendom when they weren&#8217;t of primary theological importance. Further, while not specifically addressing their Romophobia, Tom had &#8212; on more than one occasion &#8212; spoken out against the ODMs for their tendency to wantonly bash their brothers and sisters in Christ.</p>
<p>Heck, he even once had a meal with Rick Warren and came to the conclusion that he is not the anti-Christ (contrary to what ODM authors seem to believe). Tom disagrees with Rick on several issues, but he did not let that stand in the way of genuine fellowship.</p>
<p>So it was rather surprising (and massively disappointing) to watch Tom throw that irenic nature out the window and go for Colson&#8217;s jugular. In his article, he expresses &#8220;surprise&#8221; that others&#8217; remembrances of Colson are uniformly positive. While giving Colson some credit for some of his work, Tom then accuses him of working &#8220;<em>against</em> the Lord’s church&#8221;, laboring for &#8220;outright sinful causes&#8221; and &#8220;undermin[ing] the gospel&#8221;. All of his accusations revolve around Colson&#8217;s work and alliance with Roman Catholics and those of the Orthodox faith.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Now &#8212; ya want to take the irony up another few notches?  Another definition of &#8220;irenic&#8221; is:</p>
<blockquote><p>a part of Christian theology concerned with reconciling different denominations and sects</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I think we can stop applying that word to Tom from now on.</p>
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<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> Since I started writing this, one of the ODMs <strong>did</strong> &#8220;go there&#8221;. But it&#8217;s pretty obvious from the ODM article that Tom&#8217;s article was both the impetus and inspiration for the ODM article. So Tom still retains a good bit of his uniqueness.</p>
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		<title>Mob Rules Monday: Those Were the Days</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christian P</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First in a long series of Monday posts designed to incite the masses. Unless of course the mob wins. In which case, we&#8217;ll just have anarchy.

No, things were not better then and they are no worse now. I was reading an article about St. John Chrysostom who lived in the latter half of the 4th [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First in a long series of Monday posts designed to incite the masses. Unless of course the mob wins. In which case, we&#8217;ll just have anarchy.</p>
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<p>No, things were not better then and they are no worse now. I was reading an article about St. John Chrysostom who lived in the latter half of the 4th century and is known for his practical and relevant sermons. He&#8217;s got some good stuff that (with a little linguistic adaptation) could be preached this Sunday and you wouldn&#8217;t even know the guy has been dead for 1600 years. Spending too much time on sports or entertainment anyone? Need to spend more time around the dinner table talking about your faith with your family? Makes you wonder if there is anything new under the sun.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed at how much time we waste. Sure, with entertainment and what not, but more so with trying to get other people to see how we are right and they are wrong. About everything. Politics, sports, ministry, theology. Man, this is kind of flying in the face of inciting people to rant and rave in the comments. I guess I&#8217;m okay with that because we really wasted a lot of time arguing about stuff. Most of which didn&#8217;t actually have any bearing on our lives.</p>
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		<title>quote of the indeterminate time period</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter Enns: &#8220;Show me someone who expresses in anger his views of God, and I will show you someone who is deeply afraid of losing control of God.&#8221;
Here is the entirety of the article from which that quote comes.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Peter Enns: &#8220;Show me someone who expresses in anger his views of God, and I will show you someone who is deeply afraid of losing control of God.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is the <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/peterenns/2011/10/fear-leads-to-anger-unpacking-theological-belligerence/"title="Fear Leads to Anger: Unpacking Theological Belligerence"  target="_blank">entirety of the article</a> from which that quote comes.</p>
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		<title>accusers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the story of the woman caught in adultery (&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#56;&#58;&#49;&#48; &#8212; emphasis mine):
When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
The Greek word for &#8220;accusers&#8221; is kategoros &#8212; meaning &#8220;to categorize&#8221;.  It&#8217;s also the same [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the story of the woman caught in adultery (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A10"class="biblegateway_link" >&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#56;&#58;&#49;&#48;</a> &#8212; emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those <strong>accusers</strong> of yours? Has no one condemned you?”</p></blockquote>
<p>The Greek word for &#8220;accusers&#8221; is <em>kategoros</em> &#8212; meaning &#8220;to categorize&#8221;.  It&#8217;s also the same word used in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+12%3A10"class="biblegateway_link" >&#82;&#101;&#118;&#101;&#108;&#97;&#116;&#105;&#111;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#48;</a>, speaking of Satan.</p>
<p>Hmmmm. Categorizers.</p>
<p>Dare I say &#8220;labelers&#8221;?</p>
<p>Need I say more?</p>
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		<title>Gone Too Soon: 14 Years Later</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.I.P. Rich Mullins</p>
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		<title>the truth isn&#8217;t loving</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 00:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I over-state my case, but I got your attention, didn&#8217;t I?
I have a friend who grew weary of people telling him that he was being &#8220;unloving&#8221; (based solely on his content) when he spoke the truth to a third party, particularly as it regarded man&#8217;s state apart from Christ. His response was, &#8220;so you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>OK, I over-state my case, but I got your attention, didn&#8217;t I?</em></p>
<p>I have a friend who grew weary of people telling him that he was being &#8220;unloving&#8221; (based solely on his content) when he spoke the truth to a third party, particularly as it regarded man&#8217;s state apart from Christ. His response was, &#8220;so you want me to &#8216;love&#8217; them (the third party) straight to hell?&#8221;</p>
<p>And my friend&#8217;s response was right. There is a large chunk of professing Christendom that has a poor grasp on the definitions of some pretty small words, believing that anything that isn&#8217;t Mr-Rogers-nice is unloving.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4%3A14"class="biblegateway_link" >&#69;&#112;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#49;&#52;</a> describes a very dire issue that Paul is trying to correct:</p>
<blockquote><p>that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,</p></blockquote>
<p>Paul&#8217;s solution (in verse 15):</p>
<blockquote><p>but, speaking the truth &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>And there it is, right there. The ultimate response to error is the truth. No matter how much darkness there is, it cannot fully annihilate even the smallest amount of light. The reverse is not true, though (a sufficient amount of light <strong>can</strong> fully annihilate darkness).</p>
<p>And, after all, what can be more loving than the truth of the Gospel? That despite our fallen state, God loves us and provided &#8212; at great expense to Him and no expense to us &#8212; a means to get rid of that fallen state.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><em>But wait, there&#8217;s more.</em></strong></p>
<p>Repeating that verse again, but with two more words:</p>
<blockquote><p>but, speaking the truth <strong>in love</strong> &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>See, I think that Paul knew that we could be &#8230; well &#8230; idiots. That we would grasp the truth and somehow think that this said something &#8212; anything &#8212; about us, rather than merely being evidence of God&#8217;s grace. Put another way, in the words of the late Michael &#8220;iMonk&#8221; Spencer, &#8220;[w]e have to match our belief in the truth with a humility about ourselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps equal in error to the assumption that anything un-nice is also unloving is the assumption that merely speaking the truth, regardless of methodology, is inherently, sufficiently &#8212; and always &#8212; loving. If that was true, then that prepositional phrase (&#8221;in love&#8221;) is redundant.</p>
<p>If we were perfect, then that phrase probably wouldn&#8217;t be needed. But I&#8217;m not there yet. And 10:1, you aren&#8217;t either.</p>
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		<title>what&#8217;s the big idea?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 21:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been thinking a lot about this, and it&#8217;s time to shoot off my mouth.  I&#8217;m calling &#8220;shenanigans&#8221; right now on anyone who says that this is just a thinly-disguised defense of Rob Bell, as this is applicable to several incidents in the last few years.
GROUND RULES
I&#8217;m going to concede a lot of ground to the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been thinking a lot about this, and it&#8217;s time to shoot off my mouth.  I&#8217;m calling &#8220;shenanigans&#8221; right now on anyone who says that this is just a thinly-disguised defense of Rob Bell, as this is applicable to several incidents in the last few years.</p>
<p><strong>GROUND RULES</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to concede a lot of ground to the critics.  In some cases, I agree with some of these points anyway, but I can make my argument even if I disagree with some of these points.</p>
<ul>
<li>Let us assume that the criticized person is 100% in error theologically.</li>
<li>Let us assume that the critics are 100% accurate theologically.</li>
<li>Let us assume that everyone who does not disagree completely with the criticized person are sheeple who are totally lacking in discernment, will consume and espouse everything that the criticized person says, and desperately need the critics to straighten out this problem.</li>
<li>Let us assume that the error being disseminated by the criticized person is so grave that the critics have <em>carte blanche</em> to use any methodology they choose to confront it, without even the remotest possibility that they will err in their methodology or that their methods will turn off any of the aforementioned sheeple.</li>
<li>Let us assume that the method that Jesus gave in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18%3A15"class="biblegateway_link" >&#77;&#97;&#116;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#119;&#32;&#49;&#56;&#58;&#49;&#53;</a>ff is totally inapplicable.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>SIDEBAR</strong></p>
<p>I find it interesting that the Matthew 18 passage gets batted down so quickly.  While I understand that Jesus was particularly referring to more &#8220;private&#8221;, one-on-one sins, I have searched several translations and have yet to find one with a verse where Jesus says &#8220;unless it&#8217;s a public sin, then all bets are off&#8221;.  The ludicrous speed* with which the applicability of the passage is dismissed speaks not so much of someone who wants to move on as it does of someone who is so loathe to try one-on-one confrontation, that any loophole is seized desperately as a lifeline.</p>
<p><strong>WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY-SCHEDULED POST</strong></p>
<p>But let&#8217;s play nice.  As I said, let&#8217;s assume that Jesus&#8217; command is inapplicable in this situation.  Does inapplicability automatically mean that we are commanded <strong>not</strong> to use this method sometimes?</p>
<p>Let me put it another way &#8212; the way that (sadly) seems to be the <em>de rigueur</em> method for how this is played out.</p>
<p><strong>SCENARIO #1</strong></p>
<ol>
<li>The criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates error. In his efforts, he manages to reach and convince 1000 sheeple. **</li>
<li>The critics recognize the error and scramble to publicly disseminate the truth in response. ***  In their efforts, they manage to rescue 995 of those sheeple from the error. ( <em>Highly improbable that the critics will turn around that high of a percentage, but hey, let&#8217;s be generous. </em>)</li>
<li>Two years later, the criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates more error. Because of some past success, in his efforts, he manages to reach and convince 2000 sheeple.</li>
<li>The critics recognize the error and scramble to publicly disseminate the truth in response. Their astronomical success rate remains steady so that, in their efforts, they manage to rescue 1990 of those sheeple from the error.</li>
<li>Two years later, the criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates more error. Because of some past success, in his efforts, he manages to reach and convince 3000 sheeple.</li>
<li>The critics recognize the error and scramble to publicly disseminate the truth in response. Their astronomical success rate remains steady so that, in their efforts, they manage to rescue 2985 of those sheeple from the error.</li>
<li>Two years later, the criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates more error. Because of some past success, in his efforts, he manages to reach and convince 4000 sheeple.</li>
<li>The critics recognize the error and scramble to publicly disseminate the truth in response. Their astronomical success rate remains steady so that, in their efforts, they manage to rescue 3980 of those sheeple from the error.</li>
<li><em>Ad infinitum</em> (or would that be <em>ad nauseum</em> ?)</li>
</ol>
<p>So, at the end of six years (all but that last bullet), you now have 50 people who have bought into the errors disseminated by the criticized person.</p>
<p><em>This scenario is particularly self-damning for the critic who chooses to do a series of blog posts detailing the errors of the criticized person over the years.</em> ****</p>
<p>But what happens if we change it up a bit?</p>
<p><strong>SCENARIO #2</strong></p>
<ol>
<li>The criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates error. In his efforts, he manages to reach and convince 1000 sheeple.</li>
<li>The critics recognize the error. One critic approaches the criticized person and convinces him of his error.  The criticized person then disseminates a <em>mea culpa</em>, and manages to rescue the same 995 people that the critics rescued in the first scenario.</li>
<li>Two years later, the criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates truth in some manner.</li>
<li>The critics only needed response is to praise God and send the criticized person notes of encouragement.</li>
<li>Two years later, the criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates truth in some manner.</li>
<li>The critics only needed response is to praise God and send the criticized person notes of encouragement.</li>
<li>Two years later, the criticized person espouses and publicly disseminates truth in some manner.</li>
<li>The critics only needed response is to praise God and send the criticized person notes of encouragement.</li>
</ol>
<p>Some other things that might happen if this second scenario occurred:</p>
<ul>
<li>Because of the dissemination of truth by the criticized person (in steps #2, 3, 5, and 7), God is glorified and people are brought closer to the truth.  Hard to believe otherwise.</li>
<li>The criticized person and the critic (who originally approached the former) cultivate a strong friendship from which both benefit spiritually.  Hard to believe otherwise.</li>
<li>Let&#8217;s dream really big and assume that in six years, the critics and the criticized person are able to convince the original 5 (who they didn&#8217;t rescue originally) of the truth.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>BOTTOM LINE</strong></p>
<p>So, when a critic chooses to go with Scenario #1, he&#8217;s treating the symptom while the disease goes on unabated.  So what is he really trying to accomplish?  Is he really rescuing the sheeple *****, or is he just showing off his mad Bible skillz?  Is he really trying to &#8220;gain his brother&#8221;, or is he merely auditioning for some spiritual MMA league?</p>
<p>No, really.</p>
<p>* yes, that was a <em>Spaceballs</em> reference</p>
<p>** I recognize that these numbers are probably too small.</p>
<p>*** How they do this is irrelevant.  We&#8217;ve already established <em>carte blanche</em> in the ground rules.</p>
<p>**** OK, that one <em>was</em>, admittedly, about the Rob Bell situation.  But I&#8217;m not giving any Google juice to the critic, so if you don&#8217;t know specifically what I&#8217;m talking about, <em>c&#8217;est la vie</em>.</p>
<p>***** which, it is to be noted, quickly becomes Sisyphean</p>
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		<title>just answer the question</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 04:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#50;&#58;&#50;&#48;&#45;&#50;&#54; (NKJV)
Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up to worship at the feast. Then they came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida of Galilee, and asked him, saying, “Sir, we wish to see Jesus.”
Philip came and told Andrew, and in turn Andrew and Philip told Jesus.
But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+12%3A20-26"class="biblegateway_link" >&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#50;&#58;&#50;&#48;&#45;&#50;&#54;</a> (NKJV)</em><br />
Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up to worship at the feast. Then they came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida of Galilee, and asked him, saying, “Sir, we wish to see Jesus.”</p>
<p>Philip came and told Andrew, and in turn Andrew and Philip told Jesus.</p>
<p>But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>If it had only been Martin Bashir instead of Andrew and Philip, I bet this evasive Jesus guy would&#8217;ve been nailed down.</p>
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		<title>I Heard That: Three Things You Are Bound to Agree or Disagree With</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christian P</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[People everywhere are up in arms&#8230; over something somebody said&#8230; that one time. People everywhere are in agreement&#8230; with something somebody said&#8230; at that one event. Despite the cultural milieu of post-modernity and post post-modernity, we have this tremendous knack for seeing (at least some) things in black and white. Lines are drawn. Sides are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People everywhere are up in arms&#8230; over something somebody said&#8230; that one time. People everywhere are in agreement&#8230; with something somebody said&#8230; at that one event. Despite the cultural milieu of post-modernity and post post-modernity, we have this tremendous knack for seeing (at least some) things in black and white. Lines are drawn. Sides are taken. You&#8217;re either for or against something, there is no middle ground. And you must make up your mind, especially about the things I find important.</p>
<p><strong>You Are Wrong Some of the Time</strong><br />
Obviously you wouldn&#8217;t state your case, or even hold the position you do about a given subject if you did not believe that you were right. But you can&#8217;t be right all of the time. If you were, you&#8217;d be omniscient. You are probably right about quite a bit that you speak on, but if you haven&#8217;t spent a lot of time with your subject material, don&#8217;t be surprised when others tell you that you are off base. I witnessed a group of individuals talking about how stupid an all electric car would be. Why? Because the raw material consumption and pollution output to manufacture and deliver batteries for an electric car is greater than the consumption and pollution from a gas powered car? Because the cost of electricity plus the initial cost of the vehicle provides no financial savings over keeping your gas powered car?  Because the network grid is unstable and worn out in many places and won&#8217;t be able to viably sustain an extended fleet of electric vehicles? No. Their complaint? Because after driving to the restaurant, who would want to run an extension chord up to the building so that you&#8217;d have enough power to get home.</p>
<p>Not only can you be wrong in the views you hold to, you can also be wrong about the other person&#8217;s views. Often when we receive a message (audibly or visually), what we take away from that message, and what the person sitting next to us takes away can be very different.  It&#8217;s one of the funniest and scariest things for preachers when talking with their listeners after a sermon to hear the words, &#8220;I like it when you said&#8230; .&#8221;  The reason this can be funny and/or scary is because half of the time, what proceeds from their mouths after that phrase was never said by the preacher. In fact, it may not have even had anything to do with the subject of the sermon.</p>
<p><strong>The Person With Whom You Disagree May Be Right Some of the Time</strong><br />
We&#8217;ve talked here in the past about charitable reading. Lately, this has been getting confused with being a &#8220;fanboy&#8221; for some individual. I remember the first book by John Piper that I read, &#8220;Brothers, We Are Not Professionals.&#8221;  It was for a preaching class in an institution that had some major theological disagreements (as do I) with John Piper. The teacher of the course did not have us read the book because he agreed with everything Piper said. I know for a fact that he did not agree. He had us read the book because Piper had some good things to say, and because it brought up some important issues for preachers to think about.</p>
<p>If you only surround yourself with messages (and the people that communicate them) that you completely agree with, then you are in fact doing what Paul condemns in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A3"class="biblegateway_link" >&#50;&#32;&#84;&#105;&#109;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#121;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#51;</a>, &#8220;For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.&#8221;  So that I&#8217;m clear, I am not saying that we should only read people we disagree with and surround ourselves with people with think are wrong about the essentials.  However, if you regularly read/listen to somebody&#8217;s teaching and you find yourself shouting in agreement, but not cut to the heart, there&#8217;s a good chance that verse applies to you.</p>
<p><strong>Being Wrong Doesn&#8217;t Make A Person Evil</strong><br />
Being evil makes a person evil (and wrong). I wonder if at any time in our lives as we grew old enough to debate with somebody that we made the connections: I like puppies &#8211; I disagree with that person &#8211; that person must be wrong &#8211; that person must hate puppies &#8211; that person is evil. We seem to be especially adept at drawing such conclusions when it comes to politics and religion. The Daily Show with Jon Stewart gets much of its material from people arguing (often incessantly and stupidly) their political or religious position by attacking their opponents (instead of the views that their opponents hold).</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just in politics and religion that we almost instantaneously vilify the people we disagree with. I recently read a post about IE 9 (Internet Explorer version 9) that gave 5 reasons why the blog author still didn&#8217;t think it was a good web browser to use. There were some illogical arguments, some irrational points of view, and some inflammatory language. It also brought up some interesting and valid points. I&#8217;m not unbiased, but I could still see that there were parts of the article to consider and parts to throw away. And yet the comments in response to the article were just as, if not more emphatic on the other side of the authors point of view, to the point of demonizing the author. The comments seemed angry and spiteful, as if the blogger had attacked them personally.</p>
<p>Should we even talk about these things? Absolutely. When we do, Christ must be the foundation for our relationships with others and our communication with them. Where you live, where you use to live, the jobs you&#8217;ve held, your education, tragedies you&#8217;ve experienced, life events, family members (your life history) all plays a role in how you perceive and understand what is communicated. I think it&#8217;s time we let Christ play the greatest role in how we communicate.  May you read and listen with patience, understanding, and charity and may your words, written and spoken, be full of gentleness, self-control, and grace.</p>
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		<title>Two Line Thoughts: Charles Spurgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
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