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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, after <a href="http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2012/05/10/clarity-aint-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/" target="_blank">Brendt&#8217;s post</a> last week, I thought my temptation to write an article on this would pass.  However, after a number of DM&#8217;s, Tweets, Facebook messages and some emails, I think it might just save me some time and lots (and lots) of repeating myself.  Additionally, a good friend asked me what was going on with all of this, and my reply was &#8220;it&#8217;s a long story&#8221; (which I probably owe her at some point, anyway), and current events seem to be surfacing this topic, as well.</p>
<p><strong>Background on &#8220;Christian&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Andy Stanley started an 8-part series a couple of months ago at North Point Community Church, called &#8220;Christian&#8221;.  The overarching premise is that &#8220;Christian&#8221; is a malleable word (a poor adjective) that can mean most anything these days.  It was a word given to Jesus-followers by outsiders, not the followers, themselves.  What the followers called themselves, and what Jesus called them, is much better defined: <strong><em>disciples</em></strong>.  As such, we, as followers of Christ, ought to try to live up to what Jesus expected us to be (disciples), not take the squishy road of &#8220;Christian&#8221;. [I highly recommend the entire series, FWIW.]</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-1" target="_blank">Part 1: Brand Recognition</a> &#8211; This is the basic premise of the entire series, relayed above, where Stanley lays out Christianity&#8217;s reputation, outside the church as &#8220;judgmental, homophobic moralists, who think they are the only ones going to heaven and secretly relish the fact that everyone else is going to hell&#8221;, and then goes on to describe the difference between &#8220;Christian&#8221; and &#8220;disciple&#8221;</li>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-2" target="_blank">Part 2: Quitters</a> &#8211; Picking up from Part 1, Andy tells the story of Anne Rice &#8211; leaving the church, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Called-Out-Darkness-Spiritual-Confession/dp/B002U0KO18/?tag=fishtheabys-20" target="_blank">rediscovering her faith</a>, and then disavowing &#8220;Christians&#8221;, saying &#8220;<em>Today I quit being a Christian.  I&#8217;m out.  I remain committed to Christ, as always, but to being &#8216;Christian&#8217; or being part of &#8216;Christianity&#8217;.  It&#8217;s simply impossible for me to &#8216;belong&#8217; to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group.</em>&#8220;  Stanley then goes on to describe the defining characteristic given to disciples by Jesus (see <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+4%3A7-8"class="biblegateway_link" >&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#55;&#45;&#56;</a>), that should differentiate us from the world around us, so that we don&#8217;t settle for the brand &#8220;Christianity&#8221;.  Key quote: <strong>We give up our leverage in society when we opt for anything other than LOVE</strong>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-3" target="_blank">Part 3: Insiders Outsiders</a> &#8211; Andy follows the evolution of the early church &#8211; from a small, persecuted minority to a movement that toppled the Roman Empire.  He points to this event in time as a point where Christians stopped leveraging love as their distinguishing characteristic, and started leveraging other things &#8211; like political power &#8211; to impose their faith on others, by threat or force.  He examines how Christians should treat those outside the faith, and that we should not expect those who don&#8217;t follow Jesus to live as he commanded his followers to live.  (This sermon shared points with the incredibly good 1-sermon series last summer, <a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/the-separation-of-church-and-hate" target="_blank">The Separation of Church and Hate</a>.)  Over time, though, Christians morphed the Great Commission into &#8220;<em>Therefore, go and impose my teaching, values and worldview on all nations, threatening them with judgment and destruction if they don&#8217;t obey everything I have commanded you.</em>&#8220;  The main point he comes to is that we are to judge disciples (who are <em>acting</em> against his commands), not outsiders (who never signed up to follow his commands).  [He uses Mark &amp; Grace Driscoll's appearance on <em>The View</em> as an example of how to demonstrate this.]</li>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-4" target="_blank">Part 4: Showing Up</a> -  The Sunday before Easter, Andy preached this sermon on how disciples should live &#8211; as salt and light &#8211; in the world.  He traces this from the experience of the early persecuted church, up to how we ought to live now &#8211; where how we treat one another and how we treat those outside the church (by &#8220;showing up&#8221;) &#8211; is to be such examples of Christ that when people see us, they see what he is like.  This is messy, and is not always immediately (or ever) visible to us, but our good deeds should shine in such a way that others speak well of Christ from seeing how we act.  &#8220;The way we act may make them feel guilty, but it should not make them feel that we are condemning them.&#8221;  (i.e. it should be their conscience that convicts them, not our criticism.)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-5" target="_blank">Part 5: When Gracie Met Truthy</a> &#8211; In a theme common here, Andy touches on the tension that exists between grace and truth.  His basic premise, spoken several times and several ways:  &#8220;A tension exists between grace and truth.  If we try to resolve that tension, in either direction, we lose something.&#8221;  He goes through multiple examples in Jesus&#8217; ministries where Jesus, described by John as the perfect embodiment of grace and truth, gives both grace AND truth.  For example, in the woman who committed adultery and as brought before him, Jesus response was &#8220;I do not condemn you&#8221; (grace) and &#8220;go and live in sin no more&#8221; (truth).  As Brendt quoted this sermon, &#8220;<em>… people may misunderstand your grace towards sinners as somehow condoning their sin, but that is not the case.</em>&#8220;  This was a very good, but very difficult lesson (and the source of the controversy, covered below).</li>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-6" target="_blank">Part 6: Angry Birds</a> &#8211; This sermon covers similar territory the previous week &#8211; this time via Jesus&#8217; teaching, whereas Week 5 dealt with Jesus&#8217; actions.  It examined Jesus&#8217; teaching to the disciples about how to treat sinners, followed by the story of the Two Lost Sons (sometimes called The Prodigal Son).  In the first part, he says that if Christians are doing what Jesus did and following what he taught, we, too, should end up attracting the &#8220;tax collectors, sinners and prostitutes&#8221;, which will likely result in the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law to mutter that we&#8217;re associating with the wrong sorts of people.  Even though we have more in common, and nearly identical theology, to the &#8216;Pharisees&#8221;, the way we live our belief &#8211; if we&#8217;re doing it right &#8211; will likely result in the sinners feeling welcome and the self-righteous feeling &#8230; self-righteous and put out.  Basically, as Stanley follows on, we should be modeling the role of the Father in the parable of the Prodigal Son.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-7" target="_blank">Part 7: Loopholes</a> &#8211; This sermon continues on, examining how &#8220;Christians&#8221; (and, to some degree, non-Christians) try to use &#8220;loopholes&#8221; which allow our own sinful behavior, while condemning/damning the sins of those who are different than them.  He contrasts this with what Jesus taught &#8211; &#8220;Love God, and love your neighbor &#8211; all other laws flow from/are subservient to these&#8221;.  In the context of loopholes, Andy sums this up &#8211; to the Pharisees &#8211; as &#8220;<em>Don&#8217;t you <strong>dare</strong> take a verse or a passage of Scripture and use it to unlove someone else</em>, <em>you hypocrites</em>&#8221; and then continues: &#8220;<em>Disciples don&#8217;t look for workarounds or loopholes &#8211; &#8216;Christians&#8217; do that &#8211; Disciples ask &#8216;What does love require of me?&#8217;</em>&#8220;  [I loved this particular bit, as well: "'<em>Christians' use the Bible like a mace - 'Disciples' use the Bible like a mirror.</em>"]  If you only have time for one sermon in the series, I&#8217;d go here.  Very challenging stuff.  Stuff I often suck at.  Stuff that will make you uncomfortable.  Stuff that doesn&#8217;t require you to compromise, but requires you to love people who are not like you.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-8" target="_blank">Part 8: Working It Out</a> &#8211; In the final sermon of the series, Andy picks up from the final question of Week 7:  <em>What does love require of me?</em> In it, he notes that the people who have shaped us the most are either a) those who really loved us; and b) those who really hurt/abused us.  Originally, Jesus gave us a new commandment: Love one another.  Our defining characteristic was to be how we love one another, but over time it has evolved from being more about how we <em>behave</em> to being almost completely about what we <em>believe</em>.  If we want to re-brand &#8220;Christian&#8221; to become synonymous with &#8220;Disciple&#8221;, we need to follow the new commandment he gave us.  &#8220;<em>We represent the commander, not the commandments</em>.&#8221;  He finishes up the series by talking how to prepare ourselves to live in love: 1) Don&#8217;t do anything that will hurt you; 2) Don&#8217;t do anything that will hurt someone else; and 3) Don&#8217;t be mastered by anything.</li>
<li>All in all, this was an incredibly good series, and one that is challenging (for good reasons).  I encourage you to watch/download/listen to it all.  Twice.</li>
</ul>
<p><span id="more-5368"></span>Got it?  OK &#8211; now for the controversy:</p>
<p><strong>Gracie and Truthy</strong></p>
<p>Part Five of the series, <a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/christian/part-7" target="_blank">When Grace Met Truthy</a>, landed on ODM radar because Andy, purposely or accidentally, broke an unspoken commandment in modern Evangelicalism:  <em>If you mention homosexuality in a sermon or sermon illustration, you must also &#8211; as quickly as possible &#8211; make sure that everybody knows that it is a sin and it is not tolerated in your church</em>.  <em>If you fail to do so, it will be automatically assumed that you are condoning it</em>.</p>
<p>Not only did he break this commandment <em>once</em>, but he did it <em>twice</em> in the same sermon.</p>
<p>First: Early in the sermon, about 5 minutes in, Stanley mentioned that he knew a number of LGBT folks who visited/attended North Point, having left the &#8220;predominantly gay&#8221; churches.  He said that they said, when asked why they had made the switch, that the gay churches spent a lot of time &#8220;affirming homosexuality&#8221;, but that North Point &#8220;teaches the Bible&#8221;.  The implication, being, that the two (&#8221;affirming homosexuality&#8221; vs. &#8220;teaching the Bible&#8221;) were opposed to one another.  \</p>
<p>As we have learned here, often over the past 6 years, if the ODM crowd is lacking in anything, it is a complete lack of recognition of nuance and subtlety.  It&#8217;s not that they don&#8217;t understand homosexual practice is a sin (they do, and we do).  It&#8217;s not that those who are outside the church don&#8217;t understand that the church teaches that homosexual practice is a sin (every single survey of non-Christians about Christians &#8211; see Barna &#8211; tells us that non-Christians understand this more than any other truth about the church), or that the ODM&#8217;s and self-proclaimed &#8220;watchdogs&#8221; don&#8217;t know this (because they do).  And it&#8217;s almost never some sort of altruistic desire to &#8220;protect&#8221; the flock that doesn&#8217;t realize what their church&#8217;s teaching is on homosexuality (because you can pretty much guarantee that they do, whichever way their church falls on the issue).  It really comes down to making sure that they (homosexuals, liberals, &#8216;outsiders&#8217;) know that they are wrong on this issue and we (the true church) are right about it.  [See week 7's message, above, "Loopholes".]</p>
<p>But that wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>Secondly, (around the 25-minute mark) Stanley relayed an illustration that began 5 years ago.  In it, there was a married couple with a daughter.  The man left the woman to be with another man.  The woman kicked the husband out of North Point, immediately.  The man and his partner later attended another North Point campus (Buckhead church), and their first Sunday, volunteered to be part of the &#8220;Host Team&#8221; (a group that parks cars, opens doors, passes out programs, or leads first-time guests to classrooms, etc.).  The wife approached Andy to let him know that the partner&#8217;s divorce was not finalized and that the relationship was still adulterous.  Andy stepped in, met with the ex-husband and partner, and told them they could not serve while they were living in overt sin (adultery).  The two left the church, very upset.  Over time (the point of the illustration), the wife began showing grace to her ex-husband and his partner, and became much less bitter toward them.  Last year, she invited them to come sit with her at the Christmas services at North Point.  Andy quipped that, looking at them, it reminded him of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Family" target="_blank">Modern Family</a> (the TV show).</p>
<p>The end.</p>
<p>Right after I heard that particular illustration, I knew that the ODM&#8217;s &#8211; if they heard the illustration &#8211; would go bonkers.  Why?  Because in the story, Andy had focused on the adultery and said nothing about the homosexual issue (see above for ODM capabilities in understanding nuance and subtlety).  In Culture War Evangelicalism, when one speaks on homosexuality without a neon sign (&#8221;&lt;&lt;&lt;&#8212;THIS IS A SIN&#8221;), silence is considered acceptance, and to not condemn is assumed to condone.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter that, after the illustration, Pastor Stanley said &#8220;<em>… people may misunderstand your grace towards sinners as somehow condoning their sin, but that is not the case.</em>&#8220;  Andy had an open shot on goal and passed up the shot.  He had a wide-open receiver in the end zone and took a sack.  He had a two-foot putt for par and took a double-bogey.  Insert your own sports/war metaphor here.</p>
<p>My first comment, when the sermon was over, was &#8220;the folks that complain about this will be the same folks that, in doing so, will demonstrate they didn&#8217;t listen to the message.&#8221;</p>
<p>Over the coming weeks, I was (almost) pleasantly surprised.</p>
<p><strong>Along Came Al</strong></p>
<p>A couple of weeks went by, with only a few rumblings in ODM-land [links intentionally not provided].  Andy Stanley rarely makes their radar, so most of them don&#8217;t dissect him on a weekly basis.  He rarely gives media interviews (see <a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages/the-separation-of-church-and-hate" target="_blank">here</a> for his excellent reasons why not), his dad is respected by some of the ODM&#8217;s (and their canaries-in-a-coal-mine at the Gospel Coalition), and he rarely says things that are all that controversial.</p>
<p>At the same time, there is a bit of jealousy in the SBC that North Point is purposely non-denominational, even though Andy&#8217;s dad is, and that it has done so well (25,000 attenders across 7 Atlanta campuses each Sunday).  Also, it is a megachurch that operates as a &#8220;church for the unchurched&#8221;.  So it has only been a matter of time before someone at the SBC would toss a grenade at it in public.</p>
<p>And <a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/2012/05/01/is-the-megachurch-the-new-liberalism/" target="_blank">along came Al Mohler</a>, the president of the SBC.  Fretting if megachurches will all go the way of liberalism, Mohler wrote an article complaining about Stanley&#8217;s sermon, and requesting/requiring an answer from Pastor Stanley as to his church&#8217;s &#8220;stance&#8221; on homosexuality.  (To which, Rick Warren got in a brief Twitter spat with Mohler over the tar-and-feathering of megachurches over one perceived slight.)  Andy Stanley&#8217;s response to Dr. Mohler was that he didn&#8217;t find interviews and press releases to be all that helpful, but that Dr. Mohler ought to listen to the seven online sermons and the final sermon, Part 8, on Sunday.</p>
<p>A brilliant response.  [I'd have likely replied with something snarky, and less gracious or brilliant.  Which is why I'm an engineer, not a pastor.]</p>
<p>And that is all the response that has been given (and I hope will ever be given).</p>
<p><strong>The Fallout</strong></p>
<p>Since then, the regular ODM&#8217;s and their (predominantly Calvinist) ilk have gleefully demonstrated what Anne Rice meant with her public comments, just in case anyone was confused as to what she meant by &#8216;Christians&#8217; as a &#8220;<em>quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group&#8221;.</em> [And no, no linky goodness for them.]</p>
<p>Even so, there have been some very good responses to the mess.  Probably the best two are from <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2012/05/07/right-and-good/" target="_blank">Scot McKnight</a> (unsurprisingly) and <a href="http://www.outofur.com/archives/2012/05/andy_stanley_al.html" target="_blank">Out of Ur</a>.  As comments go, one of the briefest and best to sum it up, on <a href="http://fromlaw2grace.com/2012/05/08/andy-stanleys-perplexing-silence-far-from-golden/" target="_blank">a site that was critical of Stanley&#8217;s message</a>, was this:</p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t understand why everyone needs clarification of this topic when  it was not the subject of the message.  This sermon was not about SIN,  it was about how we treat SINNERS.  I think Andy answered that question  quite eloquently.  Additionally, the brilliance of the  message was that  I think he intentionally chose this very applicable story to point out  that the “Christian” community doesn’t treat all sinners equally, and  from judging the uproar that resulted, his point was well proven.</p></blockquote>
<p>The silly thing about all of this is that North Point&#8217;s &#8220;stance&#8221; on homosexual practice (that they believe the Bible declares it to be a sin) is well-documented over the past 15 years, and &#8211; for the folks who have called them and asked if NPCC allows practicing homosexuals to serve in the church &#8211; their volunteer applications list multiple sexual sins (all homo-sexual sin and all extramarital heterosexual sin, including &#8220;shacking up&#8221;) as reasons for individuals to not volunteer for service, for their own good, as well as the church&#8217;s.</p>
<p>In this particular instance, I expect a) the hubub over this sermon will soon die down; b) more juicy targets will come along for the &#8220;Christian&#8221; bottom-feeders to attack and devour;  c) North Point will now be monitored much more closely for perceived heresy (all in the sanctimonious garb of &#8220;protecting the flock&#8221;, of course); d) member of NPCC and those who listen to Andy Stanley will better represent Christ in the world; and e) if they do a good job of representing Christ, they can expect to be shot in the back with much more frequency and intensity in the future.</p>
<p><strong>Where We&#8217;ve Been</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to spend a lot of time here, but we have covered this particular topic several times before.</p>
<ul>
<li>We do agree that the Bible says that homosexual practice (the act) is a sin, as defined in the Bible.</li>
<li>We also agree that the church in the past several decades, in particular, have handled this sin incredibly poorly.  So much so, that many/most homosexuals do not feel that they would be accepted into a relationship with Christ.  To say that again: The church has become a place that sinners do not feel they would be accepted, because they are sinners.  The church of the past few decades have singled this sin out (since most in it are not tempted by it) as a &#8220;special&#8221; sin, worthy of particular note and scorn.</li>
<li>We also have seen that some churches (and some commenters, like our ex-pastor friend Chad)  &#8220;square this circle&#8221; by searching for loopholes to affirm this lifestyle as OK.  (With all of the accompanying weasel-words around &#8220;loving, monogamous, etc.&#8221; to try and avoid calling sin sin.)  This is just as bad as declaring it a &#8220;special sin&#8221;.</li>
<li>As we&#8217;ve noted before, there has to be somewhere between these poles &#8211; Andy Stanley refers to it as a &#8220;tension&#8221; &#8211; where we must act as a church.</li>
</ul>
<p>The truth is, most of us &#8211; unless we have close family/friends dealing with this sin &#8211; have no true empathy or sympathy for what these folks are dealing with.  When we tell them to &#8220;go and sin no more&#8221; (and constantly bring up 1 Cor 5, which we only reserve for the &#8220;really bad&#8221; sins like this one), what we fail to realize is that we&#8217;re also saying &#8220;Your only choices in life are to live single and alone, or to marry someone whom you have no &#8211; or little &#8211; attraction.&#8221;  And that&#8217;s if they are not already in a relationship.</p>
<p>And if they have kids, that&#8217;s even messier.</p>
<p>How callous is it to flippantly demand someone &#8220;quit sinning&#8221; before God will accept them, when &#8220;quit sinning&#8221;, in our definition, may entail breaking off a relationship and making arrangements for a child?</p>
<p>Sin is horribly messy, and it&#8217;s awfully arrogant for us to try and take over for the Holy Spirit, when it comes to convicting someone of sin and how they need to deal with it.</p>
<p>I think of a friend of mine who works with Masai people in Africa.  Many of the Masai men are married to multiple wives.  When they become Christians, the missionaries do not demand that they leave their polygamous relationships &#8211; which would often leave women and/or children destitute.  With young, unmarried men the missionaries teach &#8220;one and done&#8221;, but for those already entangled in polygamy, there is no such easy answer.</p>
<p>This is why one of the best churches I&#8217;m familiar with, in dealing with the sin of homosexual practice, makes absolutely no public statement about homosexuality (though they consider it to be defined as sin in the Bible).  When people come to them/call them and ask what their &#8220;stance&#8221; is on homosexuality, they first ask if the caller or a loved one is struggling with it.  If so, they ask them to come in and meet, and then they counsel them as best fits their situation.  If they or a loved one do not struggle with that particular sin, then their answer is &#8220;What is it to you?&#8221;</p>
<p>And this is brilliant.</p>
<p>Because the church has responded so poorly to this in the past, and the public perception of its treatment of it as a &#8220;special sin&#8221; (while comparatively ignoring rampant sins like divorce and adultery in the church) is so close to truth, the proper response of the church very well may be such an approach, to take the lightning out of the lightning-rod issue.</p>
<p><strong>Oh, And the World</strong></p>
<p>Most of the Stanley/Mohler kerfuffle has fallen completely beneath the radar of normal people, which is fine and good.</p>
<p>At the same time, the North Carolina Constitutional Amendment last week, coupled with Zero&#8217;s &#8220;evolved&#8221; (but not really changed) position on same-sex marriage, will likely keep this topic close to the top of the headlines for the next six months.  It is my hope that most Christians will avoid the stereotype &#8211; balancing both grace and truth &#8211; and stay out of those headlines, and that we will find a way to make &#8220;tax collectors, sinners and prostitutes&#8221; far more comfortable with us than the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law, and that it will be because we are emulating Jesus.</p>
<p>[Edit: I changed my characterization of the blog whose comment I quoted above, upon reviewing more of the posts at that particular blog.]</p>
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		<title>clarity ain&#8217;t all it&#8217;s cracked up to be</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 04:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me start by saying that this is going to be about the Andy Stanley kerfuffle. If you&#8217;ve missed out on what I&#8217;m talking about, hit your knees and thank God &#8212; even if you&#8217;re an atheist.  Also, if you fall in that category (blissfully ignorant) &#8212; and here I&#8217;ll commit a major sin of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Let me start by saying that this is going to be about the Andy Stanley kerfuffle. If you&#8217;ve missed out on what I&#8217;m talking about, hit your knees and thank God &#8212; even if you&#8217;re an atheist.  Also, if you fall in that category (blissfully ignorant) &#8212; and here I&#8217;ll commit a major sin of authorship &#8212; I suggest that you read no further, as your curiosity may be piqued. Then you&#8217;ll go and hit Google and start reading up on what this is all about. And then I&#8217;ll be partially responsible for you being exposed to articles and comments that have all the civility of Johnny Knoxville burping the alphabet during the prayer at a royal wedding.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>In the sermon that everyone&#8217;s carping about, one of the <strong>other</strong> things that Andy said was:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230; people may misunderstand your grace towards sinners as somehow condoning their sin, but that is not the case.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The story of the woman <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208:1-11&amp;version=NKJV" target="_blank">caught in adultery</a> is a prime example of this. A cursory reading of the passage makes it look like Jesus totally let her off the hook. Actually, forget &#8220;cursory&#8221; &#8212; there&#8217;s a level at which I still don&#8217;t get it. And it&#8217;s probably a safe bet that you&#8217;re in the same boat.</p>
<p>Yes, He said &#8220;go and sin no more&#8221;, but He didn&#8217;t even specifically state that the act in which she was caught was sin. Based on nothing more than that single isolated instance (notice a pattern here?), we could just as easily conclude that He was telling her to stop smoking those funny cigarettes.</p>
<p>When Jesus told parables, people misunderstood all the time. And it wasn&#8217;t simply an issue of Him knowing in advance that this would be the case and thinking &#8220;<em>c&#8217;est la vie</em>&#8220;. Part of <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013:10-17&amp;version=NKJV" target="_blank">the reason that He used parables</a> was specifically <strong>because</strong> people wouldn&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>By sheer definition, not everyone can be the sharpest knife in the drawer. When we show grace, some people are going to misunderstand. The <strong>only</strong> way to avoid misunderstanding is to stop showing grace altogether.</p>
<p>Is clarity of your beliefs <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>that</strong></span> important to you?</p>
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		<title>rock</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The LORD is my rock, my fortress, my deliverer;
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my Savior
My God is my rock, my secure haven,
My shield and the horn of my salvation.
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock!
Exalted be the Savior of His flock! 
In my distress I called to the Most High
I called out to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LORD is my rock, my fortress, my deliverer;<br />
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my Savior<br />
My God is my rock, my secure haven,<br />
My shield and the horn of my salvation.<br />
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock!<br />
Exalted be the Savior of His flock! </p>
<p>In my distress I called to the Most High<br />
I called out to my God with tears<br />
My desperate plea came to his ears.<br />
From his temple he heard my cry</p>
<p>He reached down and He took hold of me;<br />
He drew me out of my deep disgrace<br />
He brought me into a spacious place;<br />
He rescued me for He delighted in me. </p>
<p>The LORD is my rock, my fortress, my deliverer;<br />
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my Savior<br />
My God is my rock, my secure haven,<br />
My shield and the horn of my salvation.<br />
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock!<br />
Exalted be the Savior of His flock! </p>
<p>As for God, His way is perfect and sure<br />
His word is trustworthy and true<br />
His presence will revive and renew<br />
For who is God besides the LORD?</p>
<p>It is God who arms me with His might<br />
It is He who keeps my way secure.<br />
He makes my feet like those of a deer;<br />
And causes me to stand on the heights.</p>
<p>The LORD is my rock, my fortress, my deliverer;<br />
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my Savior<br />
My God is my rock, my secure haven,<br />
My shield and the horn of my salvation.<br />
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock!<br />
Exalted be the Savior of His flock!</p>
<p>Therefore I will praise you, LORD, among the nations;<br />
I will sing your praises, O God of my salvation</p>
<p>(From 2 Samuel 22)</p>
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		<title>isn&#8217;t it irenic?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As you are likely aware, Chuck Colson died on Saturday. There have already been many glowing eulogies written about the man from all corners of Christendom.
In slight contrast, a friend of mine remarked that it&#8217;s sad that most of the articles in the secular press focus on his Nixon/Watergate years. One such article even (essentially) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you are likely aware, Chuck Colson died on Saturday. There have already been <strong>many</strong> glowing eulogies written about the man from all corners of Christendom.</p>
<p>In slight contrast, a friend of mine remarked that it&#8217;s sad that most of the articles in the secular press focus on his Nixon/Watergate years. One such article even (essentially) admitted to having to consult Colson&#8217;s web site to see what the man had been up to for the last 35 years. In one sense, this <strong>is</strong> sad. But in another sense, it&#8217;s a good thing. Though Colson <strong>was</strong> a prominent figure in the &#8220;culture wars&#8221;, he apparently did his fighting in such a way that he was not the focus.</p>
<p>Put another way, when John Doe heard the name &#8220;Chuck Colson&#8221;, he had one of two responses &#8212; either (1) &#8220;who?&#8221; or (2) &#8220;oh yeah, that Watergate guy.&#8221; He didn&#8217;t respond with, &#8220;oh yeah, that bigoted, homophobic and misogynistic jerk.&#8221; What does that say about who (or should that be &#8220;Who&#8221;) was most obvious in Colson&#8217;s life?</p>
<p><em>OK, to be fair, one John Doe <strong>did</strong> have that response. But <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/eulogies-and-dyslogies-for-charles-colson"title="Eulogies and Dyslogies for Charles Colson"  target="_blank"><strong>Franky Schaeffer</strong></a> has a history of selling entire books that bash on dead guys (like his own father) in order to prop up his own agenda. So one measly blog post is hardly noteworthy.</em></p>
<p>Outside of special cases like Schaeffer, the only people who seemed to have a major beef with Colson were from a segment of Protestantism that was far too uncomfortable with his work with Roman Catholics on ECT and the Manhattan Declaration. Now, it has been well established that Online Discernment [sic] Ministries [sic] are wildly Romophobic. So, I cynically asked some friends recently if they wanted to start a pool on which ODM would be first to dump on Colson for his associations with Catholics. After all, they have a history of using not-yet-cold dead guys to prop up their agenda, too.</p>
<p>Ya know what? As far as I can tell, none of them &#8220;went there&#8221;. Kudos to them.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s all I have to say. I just wanted to praise the authors for not &#8230;</p>
<p>Wait &#8230;</p>
<p>What ?!?!?!</p>
<p><em>(And you thought this post was over &#8230;.)</em></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a very prominent Christian blogger out there &#8212; we&#8217;ll call him Tom.</p>
<p><em>As is my wont, I&#8217;m not giving his real name. My issue is with the actions/attitudes, not the person. Though I don&#8217;t have any real desire to give the person any Google juice either.</em></p>
<p>Several years ago &#8212; I think it was in a comment thread on iMonk&#8217;s blog &#8212; someone referred to Tom as being &#8220;irenic&#8221;. At first I thought that was a typo, but &#8220;ironic&#8221; didn&#8217;t fit the context, so I hit an online dictionary and found this definition for &#8220;irenic&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>favoring, conducive to, or operating toward peace, moderation, or conciliation</p></blockquote>
<p>And I thought, &#8220;yeah, that&#8217;s a good description of Tom&#8221;.  While he had no &#8220;Randy Alcorn&#8221; <a href="http://csaproductions.com/blog/?p=211"title="alcorn rises above"  target="_blank"><strong>moment</strong></a> of major reconciliation, Tom is (was?) a very even-keeled guy who would seek to get rid of the dividing lines in Christendom when they weren&#8217;t of primary theological importance. Further, while not specifically addressing their Romophobia, Tom had &#8212; on more than one occasion &#8212; spoken out against the ODMs for their tendency to wantonly bash their brothers and sisters in Christ.</p>
<p>Heck, he even once had a meal with Rick Warren and came to the conclusion that he is not the anti-Christ (contrary to what ODM authors seem to believe). Tom disagrees with Rick on several issues, but he did not let that stand in the way of genuine fellowship.</p>
<p>So it was rather surprising (and massively disappointing) to watch Tom throw that irenic nature out the window and go for Colson&#8217;s jugular. In his article, he expresses &#8220;surprise&#8221; that others&#8217; remembrances of Colson are uniformly positive. While giving Colson some credit for some of his work, Tom then accuses him of working &#8220;<em>against</em> the Lord’s church&#8221;, laboring for &#8220;outright sinful causes&#8221; and &#8220;undermin[ing] the gospel&#8221;. All of his accusations revolve around Colson&#8217;s work and alliance with Roman Catholics and those of the Orthodox faith.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Now &#8212; ya want to take the irony up another few notches?  Another definition of &#8220;irenic&#8221; is:</p>
<blockquote><p>a part of Christian theology concerned with reconciling different denominations and sects</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I think we can stop applying that word to Tom from now on.</p>
<hr />
<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> Since I started writing this, one of the ODMs <strong>did</strong> &#8220;go there&#8221;. But it&#8217;s pretty obvious from the ODM article that Tom&#8217;s article was both the impetus and inspiration for the ODM article. So Tom still retains a good bit of his uniqueness.</p>
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		<title>A Dog and His Bone</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I read how Rick Warren was misrepresented in the press I wondered how our old friends would react.  I was not too surprised to see one of them twist the story (much like the original reporter did) into yet another opportunity to attack a brother.  
On his blog, Wittenburg Church Door, Pastorboy [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read how Rick Warren was misrepresented in the press I wondered how our old friends would react.  I was not too surprised to see one of them twist the story (much like the original reporter did) into yet another opportunity to attack a brother.  </p>
<p>On his blog, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://crninfo.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/rick-warren-retracts-chrislam-statements-made-to-oc-register/">Wittenburg Church Door</a>, Pastorboy takes Warren to task &#8211; again.  What I found interesting was the headline &#8211; <em>Rick Warren Retracts ‘Chrislam’ Statements made to OC Register</em>.</p>
<p>I read several clarifications written by Rick Warren and none of them can be called a retraction.  A retraction is a public statement, by the author of an earlier statement, that withdraws the original statement.  This is not what Warren did.  Warren did not say anything that needed to be withdrawn&#8230; and I believe Pastorboy knows this full well.  Yet he posts a blog that implies that Warren promoted a synergism between Christianity and Islam.</p>
<p>In the blog post that precedes the one linked to above, Pastorboy makes blatantly false comments and accusations against Rick Warren, a brother in Christ.  This shameful, it is deceptive and dishonest, but it is not unexpected.</p>
<p>The original article that began the controversy was wrong &#8211; either accidentally or otherwise.  The same can be said of Pastorboy.</p>
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		<title>A Response to Rachel H Evans</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forward: Bono once wrote a song called The Wanderer. He didn&#8217;t sing it on the record because he thought it would sound pretentious if he did. Instead, he had Johnny Cash sing it. No pretense there. I don&#8217;t have Johnny Cash to write this post and remove all the pretense. Forgive me, please, in advance, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forward: Bono once wrote a song called <em>The Wanderer</em>. He didn&#8217;t sing it on the record because he thought it would sound pretentious if he did. Instead, he had Johnny Cash sing it. No pretense there. I don&#8217;t have Johnny Cash to write this post and remove all the pretense. Forgive me, please, in advance, if this sounds pretentious.</p>
<p>I do not know Rachel Held Evans except that some of the other writers here frequent her blog. I don&#8217;t know how involved they are except that every now and again we will talk privately about one of her posts. I do want  you understand, however, that I am not writing this as a personal attack  on Ms. Evans. Maybe it is unsolicited advice. Maybe it&#8217;s a parable.  Maybe I&#8217;m just thinking aloud. That said, I am going to write.</p>
<p>I am sure that Ms Evans has had a difficult experience in the church (with a little &#8216;c&#8217;). I can tell after reading her post <a href="http://rachelheldevans.com/15-reasons-i-left-church" target="_blank">15 Reasons I Left the Church.</a> She cites a few others who have also written about their own reasons  for leaving the church including someone who wrote an entire book about  why people 18-29 have left the church. 18-29 is a tough age for anyone,  but I suppose it is especially so for church folk who are looking for  just the right place to call church-home. (It seriously does not require  a book to expound the reasons why.)</p>
<p>I do not for a minute doubt the sincerity of Ms Evans&#8217; post, but I  confess it is a terribly depressing lot of reasons she gives for  rejecting the local body of believers. She wrote, with what I presume to  be as much angst as a 30-something can muster up, the following:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>I left the church when I was twenty-seven.</strong> I am now thirty, and after trying unsuccessfully to start a house  church, my husband and I are struggling to find a faith community in  which we feel we belong.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of first person pronouns in that explanation.</p>
<p>As I am now 41, not so far removed from 30-something angst, allow me to say: Good luck!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d  like to tell a story. Nearly 3 solid years ago, I was unceremoniously  removed from the congregation I had loved and served for nearly 10  years. I was finishing a week of church camp with my beloved Junior High  students from several area churches. It was Friday night, parents were  picking up children, I was waiting on everyone to leave so that I, too,  could go home and prepare for the sermon I was to preach two days later.  It was in the midst of all this that I received a call from, not one of  the elders nor one of the deacons, but from one of the church <em>trustees&#8211;</em>a  man whom I baptized into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  He informed me that I needed to be at a meeting the following day.</p>
<p>At  the meeting the next day, I was given an ultimatum: stay and we will  fire you, give you two weeks&#8217; salary; leave and we will give you six  weeks&#8217; salary. Ah, congregations know the way to a preacher&#8217;s heart. Of  course I took the money. I have regretted it every day since July 12,  2009.</p>
<p>After the meeting, that same <em>trustee</em> informed me: &#8220;It&#8217;s nothing personal.&#8221; Seriously.</p>
<p>Making  the matter more compelling is that less than a year before all this  happened in July 2009, my wife and I, after 17.5 years of marriage, and  10 years with the same congregation, bought our first house. That six  week&#8217;s worth of salary was not going to go far. Ah, churches, blessing  upon blessing. (I will spare the details of what this episode did for the faith of my sons and my wife.)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. Of the 15 reasons that Ms Evans gives in her  post, I actually believe that six of them are solid complaints&#8211;serious  problems that need to be addressed in the american version of the  church, complaints that I, too, would have no problem echoing. Not least  among them is her complaint about churches being involved in the  politics of the world. I cannot tell you how sick to death I am of  hearing preachers and christians staking the course of the christian  faith upon the outcome of some god forsaken election. It makes me think  that most christians put more faith in the election of conservative  politicians than they do in the Lord Jesus. We christians place so much  faith in the democratic way of electing leaders that Jesus could no  longer say to Pilate, &#8220;You would have no power if not given to you from  above.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pshaw!</p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;m off track&#8230;my point is that churches, in  general, are full of nasty people. I have met them up close and  personal&#8211;I can give you names, addresses, birthdays&#8211;the church is full  of ugly things, ugly thoughts, ugly words, and ugly sinners. It&#8217;s a  nightmare and when a preacher calls them on the fact that it has been so  for the better part of their 40 year existence, he is summarily  dismissed without so much as a farewell tea or carry-in dinner.</p>
<p>That is, churches are full of people like me. I know that.</p>
<p>For  all the bitterness I have masticated the past three years, I also know  that for the better part of 10 years I loved and was loved (at least by  most). I don&#8217;t think we should fly by Ms Evans reason #10 too quickly.</p>
<p>Oh,  there was this one time, when I was still in college, that I was  filling the pulpit in a church somewhere in the Northwestern part of the  state of Ohio. It took probably 4 hours to get there from Lansing, MI,  and when I was done preaching, I was given a whopping $30 honorarium.  Another time while doing pulpit supply in a church near Detroit, my wife  accidentally sat in some old woman&#8217;s pew seat. You would have thought  we killed her kittens and burned them before her eyes while feeding live  bunnies to wolves. I&#8217;m serious. In my first church after college, I  served for about a year and a half before the church decided that the  money given to them by the atheist next door neighbor was more important  than hearing the truth on Sundays.</p>
<p>And since I am on the  preacher side of things, I could tell you about the ministries of  several other preacher friends who have suffered the same or worse at  the hands of power hungry elders (or their wives), tool-like trustees,  or unhappy people who simply enjoyed eating preachers and their families  for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and second dinner.You think it&#8217;s tough  being a parishioner? Trying being a preacher. Try listening to the  reasons why church members leave churches.</p>
<p>Yet I still belong to the church (with a little c). The church we  worship with is anything but perfect. The people are sometimes as  unfriendly to me as I am to them. Sometimes there is an air of  conservative politics pervading the worship and overwhelming the  presence of the Spirit. And worst of all, the pastor is a man! (Gasp!) I  hold fast to the thought that american christians really have no clue  how to define suffering. But, for all my complaints, I believe Jesus is  among those people. I can tell because while they were losing their  building to the Episcopal church, they were <em>giving </em>themselves away in ministry to local people. They could have took; instead they gave.</p>
<p>What I have learned is that no church is perfect and that,  really, it takes faith to belong to the church with a little &#8216;c.&#8217; It  takes a lot of humility&#8211;something I confess I lack. It takes a lot of  courage&#8211;especially when that church doesn&#8217;t always line up with your  theological or political or biological expectations. It takes a lot of love&#8211;especially for gossipy  old ladies whose favorite pastime is running down the preacher while  getting their hair done and gossipy old men who do the same at McDonalds  over coffee. It takes a lot of grace&#8211;after all, Jesus showed us that  same grace when he welcomed us into <em>his</em> church, the church of  which he is the charter member and the head. It&#8217;s not just that Jesus  has something to do with the church, it&#8217;s that Jesus has never left the  church. All these years. All that sin. All this ugliness. All the politics and  compromise with the culture. Jesus is still here. With us. With the  church.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think God allows the church to be as imperfect as it  is precisely because there are people like me who have so many problems  with the church, who have been mercilessly crushed time and time again  by the church, who have been spoon fed to the devils and sifted in the  wind, people like me who need to be humbled, and taught what grace  really is. In other words, old ladies will always be old ladies, and  never mothers, until I humble myself, forgive them, and love them as  Jesus has loved me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying church is perfect.* I&#8217;m not saying there are never reasons to leave the church. I&#8217;m not saying I have it all figured out all the time. I&#8217;m not saying <em>I</em> haven&#8217;t been the reason other people have left the church.<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> I&#8217;m certainly not saying that I am any better than Ms Evans</span>; our lists are just different. I&#8217;m just saying that I am still there and that is so for one reason: Jesus is still there.</p>
<p>And  when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands  was someone &#8216;like a son of man&#8230;&#8217; (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1%3A12-13"class="biblegateway_link" >&#82;&#101;&#118;&#101;&#108;&#97;&#116;&#105;&#111;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#49;&#50;&#45;&#49;&#51;</a>a).</p>
<p>*Thanks to JM and BWW for crushing me one day with the problem I wasn&#8217;t seeing: I.</p>
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		<title>The Most Christian Thing I can do this Election Year</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
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I can still remember the day, back in 1988, when I was  encouraged&#8211;along with my entire Senior government class&#8211;to register  for the vote. There was an election that year. It was George H. W. Bush  (R) [...]]]></description>
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<p>I can still remember the day, back in 1988, when I was  encouraged&#8211;along with my entire Senior government class&#8211;to register  for the vote. There was an election that year. It was George H. W. Bush  (R) versus Michael Dukakis (D). Our government teacher, Miss Lynch (and I  have great respect for her, so this is not to disparage her in any  way), helped us to get registered so we could vote in the primary. I was  certain I would be voting Democrat. If I recall correctly, Jesse  Jackson was also a Democrat primary candidate. I was loud enough in  class to assure our teacher that I would vote for Jackson in the  primary. I don&#8217;t remember if I voted in that primary or not (I graduated  when I was 17 and I just do not remember.)</p>
<p>Several months later,  there would be a presidential election. I was at Parris Island South  Carolina, completing my training as a recruit in the USMC. I was one of  two recruits during basic training who received absentee ballots. I  recall very the very distinct and piercing voice of SSgt Aronhalt  telling us, &#8220;If you still want to be allowed to carry a gun, you better  vote for Bush.&#8221; I voted for Dukakis. Probably just to spite SSgt.</p>
<p>Here  I am now, twenty some years later, and it is time for another  presidential election. This past Sunday I was at worship. We were  invited, as we are every Sunday, and as we are commanded in Scripture,  to pray for our nation&#8217;s leaders. Someone prayed something to the effect  of, &#8220;Lord, please send us the right candidates.&#8221; It struck a raw nerve  with me. It&#8217;s one thing to pray for leaders, generically; it is quite  something else to pray for the &#8216;right candidates.&#8217; I gnashed my teeth. I  have no right to feel that way about <em>someone </em>else&#8217;s prayer to God. But I did, and I do. Four days later, that prayer is still bothering me.</p>
<p>I  grew up idolizing my grandfather. He had strong political ideas that  mostly revolved around Democrat politics. He was a politician and  perhaps could have done more with his political ambitions had he not  also had ideas that mostly revolved around Miller beer. I knew, from a  very early age, that Democrat was the only way that I would ever vote.  Die-Hard Democrat: &#8220;Democrats stand for the working people; Republicans  for the Rich&#8221; was the story he told me. With wide, saucer-like eyes, I  listened in awe. Of course I voted for Dukakis&#8211;as much out of respect  for my grandfather as to spite Ssgt Senior Drill Instructor Aronhalt.</p>
<p>I  never missed an election cycle&#8211;local, state, federal for twenty years.  Ever since Miss Lynch encouraged us to register. Voting was my right,  responsibility, and privilege. People had &#8216;died so that I could vote&#8217; or  &#8216;voting freely is what makes America great and unique&#8217; are the mantras I  grew up listening to in classrooms and around cans of beer.</p>
<p>Here I  am twenty years later and I just do not care any more. My conviction is  born out of a heart that has come to the conclusion that it simply does  not matter what I do inside that small curtained room. It&#8217;s like  there&#8217;s a giant floating head hovering above us, clothed with smoke and  fire, shouting to the candidates, &#8220;Don&#8217;t pay any attention to that man  behind the curtain.&#8221; Word. That&#8217;s how I feel every time I go to the <em>church building</em> where the polling stations are set up. Ironic, I know, but true nonetheless.</p>
<p>Frankly,  I think my conviction is born mostly out of my faith. On the one hand, I  have no faith in the &#8217;system&#8217; (I wish I never had any to begin with,  but that&#8217;s another story) any longer&#8211;I&#8217;m not so young and naive any  longer; my grandfather is dead; I haven&#8217;t seen SSgt Aronhalt since  November 9, 1988; and Miss Lynch can no longer issue me a detention  slip. On the other hand, my faith compels me to neglect the handing of  power to the power brokers, power mongers, power feeders, power  graspers, power (insert favorite verb)  of this world. Since voting no  longer matters, and since I no longer care, I&#8217;m not doing it again this  year. Not one of those people running for office speaks for me,  represents my view, or hopes to accomplish things in the way they should  be accomplished. All they can do is throw more money at problems. They  do not have in mind the Kingdom of God; they have in mind power: &#8220;The  rulers of the Gentiles lord it over their subjects.&#8221; Indeed.</p>
<p>In every way imaginable, in every conceivable way, government is the antithesis of the Kingdom of God whose King Jesus is.</p>
<p>My  conviction is that I will live with those who are chosen to lead, but I  will have no part whatsoever in pushing them into power. I will not  live in fear of those whose political opinions are diametrically opposed  to mine and I will not worship at the throne of those who happen to  share similar views. This is faith: that politics carries as much weight  as we give them and I refuse to give politics any credibility at all. I  refuse to invest my time in their power&#8211;it&#8217;s bad enough they get my  money. I will endeavor to do my best to ignore them, their promises,  their threats, their speeches about hope and unity and a &#8216;better  America,&#8217; or, worse, &#8216;a better tomorrow.&#8217; Frankly, I do not want the  sort of hope that is provided by politicians and government. Their hope  is no hope at all. They can keep it, and I&#8217;ll keep my vote, my money,  and myself.</p>
<p>But the worst part of all this? I know when I go to  worship on Sunday I will hear something about this insipid political  game we play every couple of years&#8211;does anyone ever even consider how  much damage politics have done, how it destroys the unity of the body of Christ&#8211;and precisely because we are invited to pray for our leaders? (Prayers are never so unbiased as to avoid a short sermon or two in between thanking God for our daily bread and delivering us from evil.) I&#8217;m  waiting for that one sermon that reminds me of what politicians are  really like, what they are really about, and what they really hope to  accomplish with their power: &#8220;But when John rebuked Herod the tetrarch  because of Herodias, his brother&#8217;s wife, and all the other evil things  he had done, Herod added this to them all: He locked John up in prison&#8221;  (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3%3A19-20"class="biblegateway_link" >&#76;&#117;&#107;&#101;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#49;&#57;&#45;&#50;&#48;</a>).</p>
<p>Politicians do not have the best interests of  anyone in mind but themselves. Their life and their work is to preserve  the continuity of power in the hands of a few. I will no longer play a  nice part in the perpetuation and consolidation of power. The Scripture  says, &#8220;And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public  spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross&#8221; (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+2%3A15"class="biblegateway_link" >&#67;&#111;&#108;&#111;&#115;&#115;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#53;</a>).  So if Jesus disarmed the powers and authorities, what on earth could  compel me to pick up those arms and willingly hand them back to the  power-hungry leaders of this world?</p>
<p>I think the most Christian thing I can do in America right now is NOT vote in the upcoming presidential election.</p>
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		<title>second-class Christians</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brendt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meet Shawn. Shawn was my best friend in high school.  (That&#8217;s him on the left at his graduation, and me still looking 12 after my first year of college.)  When we were in our fundy Christian high school together, Shawn was planning on being a pastor. He even preached a few times in our weekly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="float:left;margin:5px" title="Shawn &amp; Brendt" src="http://csaproductions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/shawn265.jpg" alt="Shawn &amp; Brendt" width="265" height="164" />Meet Shawn. Shawn was my best friend in high school.  <em>(That&#8217;s him on the left at his graduation, and me still looking 12 after my first year of college.) </em> When we were in our fundy Christian high school together, Shawn was planning on being a pastor. He even preached a few times in our weekly chapel service. We lost touch a couple years after this picture, but I caught up with him on the phone about 5 years after college. When I asked what he was doing (work-wise), he hemmed and hawed a bit before finally &#8220;admitting&#8221; that he was a social worker in the county where he lived. He was happily surprised that I wasn&#8217;t disappointed (in him) that he wasn&#8217;t a pastor.</p>
<p>I asked if he was doing what he believed God wanted him to do and he affirmed excitedly that he was and gave me a couple of recent examples in which he had seen God working through him at his job. Then I noted to him that being a pastor was a logical choice back when we were kids, given the environment that we were in. Back then, it was made clear to us (caught, if not necessarily taught) that a man who wished to truly follow God&#8217;s will for his life &#8212; and Shawn <em>did</em> want that &#8212; would be in &#8220;full-time Christian service&#8221;. This pretty much limited the options to (1) preacher, (2) missionary, or (3) Christian school teacher. A woman had the options of #2 or #3 or (better yet) the spouse of any of those options. There <em>was</em> lip-service paid to the legitimacy of the &#8220;Christian businessman&#8221;, but the overall influence showed that it was merely lip-service to the guy who actually paid the bills, er um, tithes.</p>
<p>In short, if you weren&#8217;t one of the big three, you were a second-class Christian.</p>
<p>Fast-forward to today. I saw a video whose overall theme still has me a bit puzzled, but it had a particular thought in it that conjured up the same tired old images of second-class Christianity. In addressing the Christian viewer about having heard and believed the gospel, the speaker threw a frickin&#8217; bone to those who may have heard it differently than he did:</p>
<blockquote><p>even if it&#8217;s a gospel that a guy like Barnabas would preach, as opposed to an apostle like Paul</p></blockquote>
<p>Say what? When did Barnabas get ranked below Paul in anything?</p>
<p><em>If anything, in those days, Barnabas had a better grasp on grace than Paul did (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15%3A36-39"class="biblegateway_link" >&#65;&#99;&#116;&#115;&#32;&#49;&#53;&#58;&#51;&#54;&#45;&#51;&#57;</a>), something of which Paul apparently later repented (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+4%3A11"class="biblegateway_link" >&#50;&#32;&#84;&#105;&#109;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#121;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#49;&#49;</a>). But I digress.</em></p>
<p>I was so confused that I felt like I had to keep listening, in the desperate hope that he&#8217;d explain that gem.</p>
<p>The speaker&#8217;s text was <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+11%3A19-26"class="biblegateway_link" >&#65;&#99;&#116;&#115;&#32;&#49;&#49;&#58;&#49;&#57;&#45;&#50;&#54;</a>. I&#8217;m going to divide the passage into a few pieces so as to comment on the story as it progresses.</p>
<blockquote><p>Now those who were scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to no one but the Jews only. But some of them were men from Cyprus and Cyrene, who, when they had come to Antioch, spoke to the Hellenists, preaching the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number believed and turned to the Lord.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, so we&#8217;ve got unnamed guys (&#8221;from Cyprus and Cyrene&#8221;) who were preaching Jesus and leading people to the Lord.</p>
<blockquote><p>Then news of these things came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent out Barnabas to go as far as Antioch.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, this sounds pretty cool. Go check it out, Barney.</p>
<blockquote><p>When he came and had seen the grace of God, he was glad, and encouraged them all that with purpose of heart they should continue with the Lord. For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.</p></blockquote>
<p>Barney confirms that it is way cool. And he encourages them in their faith.  A few good things are recorded about him, and apparently his influence led to others finding Jesus, too.</p>
<blockquote><p>Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul. And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, Paul, you gotta see this! And so Paul comes and the two of them stay there for a whole year, teaching.</p>
<p>So, we&#8217;ve got a movement of the Spirit that starts with guys that the Bible doesn&#8217;t even bother to name, then Barnabas gets to throw in, and then Paul does too. It definitely seems that this whole thing is all about God, both from just the general gist of the story and that whole &#8220;the hand of the Lord was with them&#8221; thing in verse 21.</p>
<p>BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !!!! Wrong !!! Thanks for playing.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about God. This is about Paul. You see, according to the speaker, the reason that Barnabas went for Paul was because the people at Antioch wanted to know more than Barnabas could teach them. And Paul knew the Scripture better than Barnabas and had actually had a (brief) physical encounter with Jesus.</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m not sure what bodily orifice the speaker got that one out of, either. Is it <em>possible</em> that there was such a need/desire and that Paul could better fulfill it? Sure. But nowhere near with the factual certainty that the speaker classified it.</p>
<p>Oh, and the disciples in Antioch being called &#8220;Christians&#8221; &#8212; that was a direct result of Paul teaching them.  <em>(See previous bodily orifice reference.)</em></p>
<p>When it comes to doctrine, Paul could kick anyone&#8217;s asterisk-dollarsign-dollarsign. So it&#8217;s really a toss-up as to whether this junk is Paul-olatry or doctrine-olatry. Either way, though, it ain&#8217;t good.</p>
<p>In short, Barnabas was (in the speaker&#8217;s mind) a second-class Christian. I guess the unnamed guys were third-class. So brush up on your doctrine, boys and girls. Otherwise, you&#8217;re disappointing God.</p>
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		<title>Curiosity&#8230;The Healing of the Nations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Note: I am slowly working my way back into the blog world and this post marks the first in a series of posts I will be doing called "Curiosity". All I hope to accomplish is to provoke conversation about Jesus and the Scripture and discipleship.--jerry]
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<p>I am curious about a great many things that are found in the Bible. I find myself more and more curious about them the older and older I get. And the more and more I become detached from American Churchianity and become more and more attached to the Jesus of the Bible, the more I find myself curious about this Jesus I read of in the Bible. He was strange and did things that were very un-Christian-like—well, at least if American Christianity is any sort of guide as to what it means to be Jesus.</p>
<p>It’s an old cliché, but I’m sure if Jesus applied to be the pastor of a local church he wouldn’t even get the courtesy of a rejection letter. The good church folk would take one look at his cover letter, read something like, “Oh, and I think it is the essence of Christianity that the people of God take part in the practice of holiness&#8230;and participate in bringing healing to the sick and afflicted.” Or, “Someday you will reign with me and partake of the tree of life—whose leaves are <em>for the healing of the nations</em>” (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22%3A2%2C+5"class="biblegateway_link" >&#82;&#101;&#118;&#101;&#108;&#97;&#116;&#105;&#111;&#110;&#32;&#50;&#50;&#58;&#50;&#44;&#32;&#53;</a>). Oh, the wise old elders would have a field day with that—and once the old ladies got a hold of it, well….I choose not to think of Jesus’ resume in the hands of old ladies considering that I know what some of them have done to Jesus himself.</p>
<p>So this is my curiosity for today: Revelation 22 clearly pictures a time when things are not the same as they are now—at least not entirely. It clearly pictures a time when we—or someone—has re-entered the garden of Eden and are living in the presence of God. But something is strange about what is going on in that land of bliss: <em>“And the leaves are for the healing of the nations.”</em> Well, I don’t understand. If Revelation 21 says there is a new heaven and a new earth, a new Jerusalem, no more death, no more mourning, no more crying or pain for the old order has passed away (21:1-4), and Revelation 22 says there is no more night, no more curse and that someone (we?) is living in the presence of God (22:1-5), then what does this sentence mean, “<em>And the leaves are for the healing of the nations.”</em></p>
<p>What nations? What needs healed? I mean, if God is ‘making everything new’ (21:5), then what healing remains that can be, should be, will be cured by the leaves on the tree of life?  I am curious as to what this might mean—and please spare me the ready-made, wrapped with a bow, answers from commentaries or the <em>Left Behind</em> books. I’m serious. After God makes all things new are we to expect that there might still be work to do in this new heavens and new earth? What do you think? Who exactly are these nations that need healing in this place God has created where ‘there is no more death’? And what role will we play?</p>
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		<title>I Don&#8217;t Love My Wife&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christian P</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;the way Christ loves the church. 
          Don&#8217;t you just hate those controversial titles that sound absolutely shocking and horrible and then you go to see what it&#8217;s all about and it&#8217;s nothing? I sure do, but I usually pay attention anyway. Why? The same reason [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;the way Christ loves the church. </p>
<p>          Don&#8217;t you just hate those controversial titles that sound absolutely shocking and horrible and then you go to see what it&#8217;s all about and it&#8217;s nothing? I sure do, but I usually pay attention anyway. Why? The same reason writers write them. It&#8217;s a good hook, an easy way to draw in a reader. We want to know what&#8217;s behind the statement and in the end we are often disappointed because there was nothing to it (which is probably why the shock value is added in the first place). But the thing about my statement above is that it should be shocking even with the rest of the statement. We like to show ourselves grace by saying that we aren&#8217;t perfect and God doesn&#8217;t really expect us to actually be able to do these things He commands in Scripture. We&#8217;re wrong when we do that. God gives us grace and helps us to show grace to others, but He also expects us to grow, to mature, and to transform into the likeness of His son.</p>
<p>          And for husbands, that means sacrificing of ourselves so that we can provide for, take care of, and even better our wives. &#8220;Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.&#8221; <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5%3A25-28"class="biblegateway_link" >&#69;&#112;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#50;&#53;&#45;&#50;&#56;</a> </p>
<p>     Our leadership at home can have a tremendous impact on the well being of our spouses. Unfortunately, far too often I expect my wife to be available for my needs and wishes. I expect her to give up of her own desires and to sacrifice of herself so that I can have more time for fun, better food, freedom for work and for projects, and rest. This dynamic has a negative impact on her spiritual development. Although every person is responsible for their own faith, husbands are responsible to provide for the spiritual development of their wives. This means that you consider her needs, her growth, her holiness, her transformation into the likeness of Christ and you make adjustments to your schedule and your priorities. Not because Valentine&#8217;s Day is coming, but because Christ set the example and we are called to follow.</p>
<p>          I need to also say this: Despite my shortcomings, when my wife loves, supports, encourages, and even follows my leading during these times, I am a better father, husband, and friend because of her.</p>
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