Source: Verum Serum

Comments: John pulls together some thoughts based upon a monster-sized discussion on an earlier post, and some other places that discussion spilled to.
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Nearly two weeks ago, my co-blogger Scott wrote a post directly addressed to one of the authors at Slice (Ken Silva) based on the forgoing discussion. That post has resulted in nearly 250 comments. Half are mine and Scott’s the rest are other bloggers and several are from Ken Silva himself. The discussion was, at times, frustrating for all involved. Eventually it spilled on to another blog run by one of Ken’s defenders. The discussion there ran to 150 comments. But while it was long, it was not nearly as frustrating, mostly because Tony, who runs a good blog, was a pleasure to talk to and is quite a reasonable guy.

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Source: Musings from Two-Sheds Gomer

Comments: Brendt’s alternate title – “Jesus was a Vulcan” – is rather funny, but since this post is about Ingrid’s seeming belief that Jesus didn’t laugh, and her writing confirming that humor has no place in the church, his alternate title is only funny to those who wouldn’t agree with Ingrid – self-selecting its audience.
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Generally, if I’m trying to point out error on this blog, I do so with Scripture. However, a perusal of Scripture, along with previous knowledge, seems to indicate that such an idea is so incredibly ludicrous that God didn’t bother to waste any ink on it (compare that with the apparently less ludicrous sins decried in 1 Corinthians).

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Source: My Bloggy Blog

Comments: The picture says it all
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Source: Fishing the Abyss

Comments: Chris documents his banning from Slice.
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On Saturday, I came to a realization some of Ken’s readers had picked up on much faster than I had (props to Amy, whom Ken won’t even address, from a seeminly misogynistic standpoint – see http://www.verumserum.com/?p=529#comment-2821) – Ken so strongly believes he is on a “mission from God” to denounce Bell that he has taken upon himself the same autority as Jesus or Paul (see his use of John 7:24, Matthew 22:29 , I Cor 15:10, I Peter 2:23 in this thread).  In doing so, he has started to exhibit symptoms that some might correlate to a God complex.

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Source: Lone Prairie Art Works

Comments: As Ingrid reminds us on Slice, hymns (preferably those written before 1900) are the only proper way of offering worship in song to the Lord.  In support of Ingrid, Julie adds a sixth sola for the Truly Reformed crowd…  I’m certain there is no sarcasm to be found in this post, as well…
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The sixth sola has, for too long, been ignored: Sola Hymn.

Hymns are the music of the angels. They had been waiting hundreds of years for the early church to shove off the lutes, flutes and tambourines in favor of serious organ chords, five verses and a chorus. Though I have yet to make it to heaven and hear the music there, I’m pretty sure it’s a hymn. It’s only a matter of time before the church around the world in other cultures and countries adopts our European music stylings and sees that it’s time to put down the drum and the oud and the didjeridoo and pick up a chord progression and a couple of ‘thees’ and ‘thous’. God hears those chords and words best above all other music in the world, my friend, and we need to sing our theology in full every time we worship.

If you’re feeling so moved in your worship that you can’t even find the words to express your love for God in your heart, there are two things to remember: 1) avoid the Pentecostal trap of speaking in tongues, and by all means 2) find something deep to say about substitutionary atonement and forgo overly vapid phrases of “I love you, Lord” that want to spring from your mouth, and anything similarly fifth grade level. Rise above your baser instincts of simple expressions of love and faith and fight the good fight of five verses and a chorus with two measures that are just a bit out of your vocal range.

Because hymns lift my soul, they surely must be lifting yours as well. Because it is part of my culture and I am comfortable with it, it is the right way to worship God. If you don’t understand this, you must be part of the lost generation and I pray for your wayward soul to get back in the hymnal. Because I don’t like that other kinds of music and worship out there, I’m pretty sure your heart isn’t right when you sing it and you’re not truly worshipping, after all. Because I am naturally reserved and more comfortable that way, so ought you be.

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Source: Fishing the Abyss

Comments: Following her usual modus operandi, Ingrid has a cow (breech, no less) over a Christian dance festival to be held in Michigan. She throws out one of her famous straw men – how can people go to a dance festivel when there are 42 million babies in America who have been aborted? Huh? (There are just some people who aren’t happy unless they’re not happy).

Chris took Ingrid’s article, changed the subjects around and the topic to blogging (instead of dancing) to demonstrate the absurdity of Ingrid’s premise (perhaps she was channeling the spirit of David’s wife, Michal?). Just to make the irony even greater, Ken demonstrates that he has no understanding whatsoever of the conept of irony by posting a comment to the article.

Priceless.

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Yes, the world needs legalistic Christian Bloggers in a “most urgent way”. As we stand knee deep in the blood of 46 milion aborted American children, and as the foundations of our nation shudder and heave, Christians need a nit-pick, nit-pick, nit-picking revolution. Friends, the true church of Jesus Christ is not interested in blogging at this late hour. This is no time for podcasting. This is a time for repentance and contrition and prayer.

["Reverend" Ken Silva] “the true church of Jesus Christ is not interested in blogging at this late hour.” Pardon me Chris, but aren’t you blogging to tell us you’re not interested in blogging?

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Source: My Bloggy Blog

Comments: Steve recounts his adventures with Ingrid, where she posts on a church comedy night (a Friday family night), gets lots of nasty comments about the church, removes the post (but doesn’t delete it) at the request of the senior pastor from the church in question, and then denigrates Steve, who suggests she should post a retraction.  Comedy gold.
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Ingrid Schlueter and the slicers and dicers at Laodicea , seem to have a twenty four hour watch on things apostate. I wonder how they have developed such a keen sniffer for such things. Well, it’s quite easy, first you need to believe you and you alone have a corner on the truth and anything that does not line up with your truth is of course false, and therefore apostate. Then you write a story about it and accentuate only what you want to about the story, leave out anything that would be redeeming about the church, person ect. your ripping apart. Next have your band of merry men and women all chime in on the comment section, validating your latest slice and dice, and lastly delete any comments from anyone that can poke the preverbal hole in the irrationality of your post.

Find a picture of a church sign that is advertising an upcoming event – Comedy Night – July 21 7PM –9PM and laugh all night. Post the picture of the church sign with the post title of“Lukewarm and Proud of it”. Soon the amen corner will show up and they are all amazed at how Ingrid has found yet another fantastic example of how pathetic the 21 century church is.

Forget to mention that this church in fact has a very sound doctrinal statement that is far from lukewarm. Forget to mention that the Comedy Night was not on a Sunday, but was in fact on a Friday and was scheduled to be a part of a “Date Night” or “Family Night Out” that the church was sponsoring to foster fellowship amongst its members. And lastly disparage the ministry of Christian Comedian Mike Williams, and mention nothing of his marvelous Christian ministry and his testimony where he talks about how God saved him from a horrific family life.

[Ingrid writes to Steve] I will not post any retraction because as I have said already, I stand by my belief that the church of Jesus Christ is no place for fun family outings featuring laugh all night comedians, period.

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Source: The Broken Messenger
Comments: Brad gives a thorough assessment of Slice, as a whole – probably the best holistic view to date.
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The more I read Slice of Laodicea, the more I find myself concerned as to how close this blog is treading into the legalistic crass, and the arrogant kind of elitism that has firmly entrenched itself in some Reformist circles. What a few days ago was just a few concerns, is now a host of them as I have become more familiar with the blog. Given Slice’s longevity, I think that its time that those who blog and affirm TULIP, Calvinism and Reformist teaching to take a hard look at one of thier own, and if justified, to stand up against the kind of blogging that resorts to ridicule and false triumphalism that appears to be mainstays in much of its content.

And it’s not as if the comments on Slice are any kinder. In fact, most that seem to appear on Slice (allowed actually) are overwhelmingly those that are like-minded and often even more egregious, outrageous and spiteful than what is said on Slice. Usually, it’s difficult to take issue with a blog’s comments because it is often the case that blogs allow a wide range and lattitude of views and opinions from the content that is posted by the author. But Slice moderates all posts that are shown on its blog, predetermining what they deem worthy for discourse

The ability to spot flawed biblical application and exegesis is also a problem for Slice from time to time. Take for instance Slice’s post on Paul Proctor’s almost “prophetic revelation” that Kyle Lake’s death may very well been an “Ananias and Sapphira” like moment for the Emergent Church. In this article, Paul concludes with the following jaw-dropping analysis as to circumstances surrounding Kyle’s death, saying that it was due to God’s immediate judgment on Kyle, a conclusion that should have raised major red flags with Ingrid:

Although they obviously miss their beloved pastor and his fanciful messages, the real tragedy here would be missing the message that God was sending; but then sometimes the hardest things in life to understand and accept are the obvious.

And while we are talking about being biblical, has anyone considered admonishing Ingrid for treading dangerously close to a place she is not qualified to go?

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. – 1 Timothy 2:11-12

I can imagine that Ingrid feels insulated because of her readership (as boasted of in the comments section here) and on the basis that she is only a blogger and a radio host. But one easily notes the “instruction” that is espoused daily on a narrow section of the church.

But here is my real issue with Slice: Where is the humility? Where is the patience and forbearance with brothers and sisters, who though misguided and in error, are often sincere and seeking Christ? And where on earth is the kindness? If the response is merely that one qualifies in all these things because truth is being “exposed,” well, it doesn’t work. If you’re means nullify the ends, it’s not truth. There is right and wrong way to admonish and teach. Christ set the example and instructed us to judge in righteousness – something you’ll hear frequently from Slice as a defense of their activities. But righteousness includes love in all its qualities, specifically: love is patient, kind, gentle, humble, rejoices with the truth, and keeps no record of wrongs (1 Cor. 13:1-6).

From what I continually read, Slice of Laodicea frequently does not follow Christ’s standard of admonishment. Instead, it smacks of Ephesus, a church that Christ rebuked with a harshness that nearly equaled that of Laodicea, and did so for its departure from its first love – a love under which we are to love one another as Christ loves us. And its also very important to note that this rebuke from Jesus came even though he acknowledged that the Ephesians had cherished right doctrine and had even endured suffering (see Revelation 2).

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Source: More Than Stone
Comments: Jamie has a brief encounter with Apprising.Org, Ken Silva’s site, which won’t accept any comments, but will accept cash donations (whether you agree with him or not…)
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What I particularly love about this site is that there is no comment section. There IS, however, a link to donate $$.

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Source: Fishing the Abyss

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It seems Ken is still insistent on the prooftexting of John 7:24, which, if read in context would more easily be argued as evidence of why Ken should cease and desist his logic-free attacks on Mr. Bell, or at least save them for when Mr. Bell actually does something wrong (besides speaking in a place more likely to be frequented by sinners than by saints).

So, from Ken’s article on EIS (which he didn’t attend), we’ve now got Chuck Manson in sheep’s clothing spouting kabbalah, ushering in the Anti-Christ. ONOZ!In actuality, the only Hebrew characters Rob wrote on the board were those that composed the name Elohim, and the numbers cited were the numeric analysis of the creation story. And Shazaam! Rob Bell’s now teaching Kabbalah in the bars of America. Someone hide the children!

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